Newer 0w20 PCMOs dropping Dexos 1 Gen 3 approvals

My wife has a Volvo. When you buy a luxury make-I don't know about you...but I expect to pay more for everything....and I do. Luxury car ownership is not cheap.
I'm not telling what the Volvo costs every ten thousand miles-but they do inspect a numerous list of things as well.
I just don't see the "Luxury" cars being that Luxurious anymore. I can buy a pickup truck with the same amenities. Wasting money on branding and getting screwed through the whole ownership period is more like it. The "Luxury" cars are making it harder and harder to pay anything but dealer prices for the required repairs of common parts.
 
I just don't see the "Luxury" cars being that Luxurious anymore. I can buy a pickup truck with the same amenities. Wasting money on branding and getting screwed through the whole ownership period is more like it. The "Luxury" cars are making it harder and harder to pay anything but dealer prices for the required repairs of common parts.
There is a difference. Its about more than creature comforts. You don't understand the "ownership experience". I'm not going to try to explain it-respectfully.
 
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At least they say that they inspect them. Many "certified" used cars passed the 500 point inspections with issues on day 1 to new owners.

The dealer probably does inspect all those things as it provides an opportunity for income stream. Cracked rubber bushing? Rust around the exhaust system? 5 year old tires with 7/32"?

If you own a luxury vehicle (and not leasing) you have an extended warranty. The Volvo ones (and imagine others - Mercedes, BMW, etc.) as well) are quite comprehensive. They can bill the insurance for many items.
 
That is one of the reason why I think Dexos is a scam. Also charging for their logo and testing millions of dollars proves it. They just came up with а ponzi scheme—"We sell the most cars in the US. We'll say that our engines require Dexos rated oils and will charge oil manufacturers millions for that approval."
Guess if people who drive Chevy in Europe have a clue about Dexos or if they run any oil in their crappy engines anyway.
That's not a Ponzi Scheme. Google Ponzi Scheme. What you are suggestion GM does is extortion.
 
For my Corvette it doesn’t say that it’s required, just that it’s recommended. I decided to go against that recommendation and started using ESP 5w-30 on the second oil change

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The manual for my '22 Trailblazer pushes Dexos a bit more forcefully.
 
There is a difference. Its about more than creature comforts. You don't understand the "ownership experience". I'm not going to try to explain it-respectfully.
I own a 2025 Lexus. One of their more expensive ones. I don't find the ownership experience to be anything remarkable unless the free loaner car and donuts are worth paying $400 every 10k for an oil change, rotate, and cabin filter. The lubies at the Lexus dealer make the same mess under the hood as my local Toyota dealer.
 
Recently purchased at Walmart during my annual maxing out Pennzoil and Mobil 1 rebates. Shelves were full.

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Maybe I worded that poorly.

Just thinking that Dexos 1 Gen3 performance standards are generally exceeding the top API and ILSAC standards, is what I was trying to say.

Just struck me as odd that these oils that seeked out/payed $ for these approvals for years, would suddenly opt out.
No Dexos from Valvoline Restore and Protect and while Im no Valvoline fanboy.. This oil is better not having a Dexos label.
 
I own a 2025 Lexus. One of their more expensive ones. I don't find the ownership experience to be anything remarkable unless the free loaner car and donuts are worth paying $400 every 10k for an oil change, rotate, and cabin filter. The lubies at the Lexus dealer make the same mess under the hood as my local Toyota dealer.
The Volvo ownership is apparently different.
 
The Volvo ownership is apparently different.
So how is it from your experience. And I'd say the ownership experience rests mostly on the dealership itself not the vehicle brand. Once you have to depend on the brand to contribute positively to the after sale ownership experience you're near a possible warranty denial and would like for them to be good and not deny you but some dealers can good will the repair and pay for it themselves which is part of a specific dealership experience.
 
So how is it from your experience. And I'd say the ownership experience rests mostly on the dealership itself not the vehicle brand. Once you have to depend on the brand to contribute positively to the after sale ownership experience you're near a possible warranty denial and would like for them to be good and not deny you but some dealers can good will the repair and pay for it themselves which is part of a specific dealership experience.
We would agree it's mostly dealership experience. But the Volvo sponsored factory back extended warranties are very good. For example-they start at time purchase and not when the vehicle was first put in to service on a certified used.
 
The going rate for a dealer oil change is between $90.00 and $125.00.
It depends if you use a coupon or not.
I get all my changes done at a Chevrolet Dealer. My truck takes 8 quarts. Searching the part number on the invoice comes up as this-
GM 88865700 Oil,Engine Dexos1 Gen2 Full Synthetic 0W20 Acdelco Bulk Opt1
And they have to remove a skid plate.


Total on invoice $107.40 (3/18/2026)
The description of parts/services on your dealer's repair orders/receipts were loaded into the software at some point and may never change, no matter the situation with lube specifications. Few dealerships have in-house software and depend on big IT companies (Reynolds and Reynolds, et al). The new dealership systems I've been part of starting up required filling in all those descriptions before the accounting package was built at the software provider. It's like they're chisled in stone and you are committed forever. Of course, my experience was from the 70's to the 2010's so with advances in computers, maybe things are better. Just sayin'......
The techs who perform the work generally are aware of the actual sump capacity so as not to under or over fill an engine, but the description of the product linked to the part number is not worth the effort to get management involved in changing it. Just one more trust-breaker when the customer is at the cashier and reading the invoice.
 
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