Although it was SN rated - the last specs I saw at PQIA showed Super Tech 5W30 Synthetic oil had a high NOACK of over 11... For a GDI engine would you consider that NOACK rating being an issue ? Conversely , not sure if the NOACK dropped any on Super Tech's newer D1 / Gen 2 SN+ formulation of their 5W30 Synthetic.?
Super Tech 5W30 Synthetic With GDI Engine ?
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Why bother? Annual Mobil 1 and Pennzoil rebates to take advantage of.
Rebates aren't always available.
Originally Posted by Propflux01
Rebates aren't always available.
Annually. I did two Mobil 1 and Pennzoil rebates last Spring. Still have yet to use it. I'm getting ready to do the current Pennzoil rebate this weekend.
Rebates aren't always available.
Annually. I did two Mobil 1 and Pennzoil rebates last Spring. Still have yet to use it. I'm getting ready to do the current Pennzoil rebate this weekend.
MAG 1 synth 5W30 from Warren shares a d1G2 license # with ST synth 5W30 and that is shown at 12% Noack loss on the Warren website.
I would guess that the ST's Noack loss is very similar.
I don't see that level of loss as a big problem, but I think lower is definitely better.
When M1 5W30 is cheaper than ST at WM with a rebate factored in and has a 10% Noack loss...well, that's a no brainer for me.
I would guess that the ST's Noack loss is very similar.
I don't see that level of loss as a big problem, but I think lower is definitely better.
When M1 5W30 is cheaper than ST at WM with a rebate factored in and has a 10% Noack loss...well, that's a no brainer for me.
I have a glove box full of $10 VWB oil change coupons-- got two yesterday. Planning on changing with 5-30 every 5000 miles.
Paid $37 at Walmart for a ST 5-30 oil change to get me 6000 miles to the 65000 mark. M1 would have been an extra ten, and to me it wasn't worth it. I had a 1.6 Rio which I had no problems with until giving it to my daughter.
Lower NOACK is better but WPP is apparently selling lots of oil, witness Amazon Basic's position on the Amazon best seller chart. I suspect that Warren is cranking out all sorts of product, and people are getting along well with it. It is amazing, however, that ten years ago, I was confident that any car I'd buy would fall apart around a perfectly good engine, I suspect this is still the case. I've had about forty cars and only two of them have had cooked engines, and one of those was a Corvair, but all of this GDI + turbo talk has me nervous in my old age.
I'm ancient and live in a condo that doesn't allow work on cars. If I wasn't/didn't I'd probably buy Walmart or Harvest King group 3 and be done with it. Other than Menards it seems like I always have trouble with coupon redemptions, but those of you who do redeem are undoubtedly getting better oil for the same price. There's tons of people out there happily using WPP and other lower end oils, however. Almost none of them even know what NOACK is and if they do halfway decent OCI's they're probably going to be happy.
Paid $37 at Walmart for a ST 5-30 oil change to get me 6000 miles to the 65000 mark. M1 would have been an extra ten, and to me it wasn't worth it. I had a 1.6 Rio which I had no problems with until giving it to my daughter.
Lower NOACK is better but WPP is apparently selling lots of oil, witness Amazon Basic's position on the Amazon best seller chart. I suspect that Warren is cranking out all sorts of product, and people are getting along well with it. It is amazing, however, that ten years ago, I was confident that any car I'd buy would fall apart around a perfectly good engine, I suspect this is still the case. I've had about forty cars and only two of them have had cooked engines, and one of those was a Corvair, but all of this GDI + turbo talk has me nervous in my old age.
I'm ancient and live in a condo that doesn't allow work on cars. If I wasn't/didn't I'd probably buy Walmart or Harvest King group 3 and be done with it. Other than Menards it seems like I always have trouble with coupon redemptions, but those of you who do redeem are undoubtedly getting better oil for the same price. There's tons of people out there happily using WPP and other lower end oils, however. Almost none of them even know what NOACK is and if they do halfway decent OCI's they're probably going to be happy.
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Originally Posted by Propflux01
Rebates aren't always available.
if you think ahead and have a stash they are!
Rebates aren't always available.
NOACK is 14
VISCOSITY @ 100 C is 10.81
I got the specs from Warren Distribution a couple of days back but, I am having a problem copying it from ICloud.
I wouldn't be scared to use it in the KIA 2.4. I won't use it in my Escape 2.0T.
Printed On: March 19, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 3/5QT
Inspection Information Test Method Typical Value
Gravity, °API
ASTM D287
33.42
Specific Gravity @ 60°F (15.6°C) ASTM D4052 0.858
Flash Point, °C
ASTM D92
220
Flash Point, °F ASTM D92 428
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt
ASTM D445
63.95
Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt ASTM D445 10.81
Viscosity Index
ASTM D2270
161
Pour Point, °C (°F) ASTM D5950 -45°C (-49°F)
Cold Cranking Simulator at (°C), cP
ASTM D5293
5850 (-30)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 100°C, cP ASTM D6616 7.14
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150°C, cP
ASTM D5481
3.14
Noack Volatility, % loss ASTM D6375 14
Color
ASTM D1500
3
Zinc, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.085
Phosphorus, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.077
Calcium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.132
Sulfur, wt. %
ASTM D4951
0.3
Magnesium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.043
Boron, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.018
Molybdenum, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.004
Sulfated Ash, wt. %
ASTM D874
0.92
Nitrogen, wt. % ASTM D4629 0.086
Pumping Viscosity at (°C), cP
ASTM D4684
20,100 (-35)
Shear Stability, Final Viscosity in cSt ASTM D6278 8.6
Foam Seq. I (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
Foam Seq. II (Tendency/Stability), mL ASTM D892 (Opt. A) 0/0
Foam Seq. III (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
High Temperature Foaming, static foam ASTM D6082 (Opt A) 20/0
TBN, mgKOH/g
ASTM D2896
7.1
VISCOSITY @ 100 C is 10.81
I got the specs from Warren Distribution a couple of days back but, I am having a problem copying it from ICloud.
I wouldn't be scared to use it in the KIA 2.4. I won't use it in my Escape 2.0T.
Printed On: March 19, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 3/5QT
Inspection Information Test Method Typical Value
Gravity, °API
ASTM D287
33.42
Specific Gravity @ 60°F (15.6°C) ASTM D4052 0.858
Flash Point, °C
ASTM D92
220
Flash Point, °F ASTM D92 428
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt
ASTM D445
63.95
Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt ASTM D445 10.81
Viscosity Index
ASTM D2270
161
Pour Point, °C (°F) ASTM D5950 -45°C (-49°F)
Cold Cranking Simulator at (°C), cP
ASTM D5293
5850 (-30)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 100°C, cP ASTM D6616 7.14
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150°C, cP
ASTM D5481
3.14
Noack Volatility, % loss ASTM D6375 14
Color
ASTM D1500
3
Zinc, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.085
Phosphorus, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.077
Calcium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.132
Sulfur, wt. %
ASTM D4951
0.3
Magnesium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.043
Boron, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.018
Molybdenum, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.004
Sulfated Ash, wt. %
ASTM D874
0.92
Nitrogen, wt. % ASTM D4629 0.086
Pumping Viscosity at (°C), cP
ASTM D4684
20,100 (-35)
Shear Stability, Final Viscosity in cSt ASTM D6278 8.6
Foam Seq. I (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
Foam Seq. II (Tendency/Stability), mL ASTM D892 (Opt. A) 0/0
Foam Seq. III (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
High Temperature Foaming, static foam ASTM D6082 (Opt A) 20/0
TBN, mgKOH/g
ASTM D2896
7.1
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Originally Posted by MParr
NOACK is 14
VISCOSITY @ 100 C is 10.81
I got the specs from Warren Distribution a couple of days back but, I am having a problem copying it from ICloud.
I wouldn't be scared to use it in the KIA 2.4. I won't use it in my Escape 2.0T.
14% Noack loss would fail d1G2 (13% max)...that number isn't for the conventional SuperTech?
NOACK is 14
VISCOSITY @ 100 C is 10.81
I got the specs from Warren Distribution a couple of days back but, I am having a problem copying it from ICloud.
I wouldn't be scared to use it in the KIA 2.4. I won't use it in my Escape 2.0T.
14% Noack loss would fail d1G2 (13% max)...that number isn't for the conventional SuperTech?
The header didn't state if it is conventional or synthetic. I'll get back with them for clarification.
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ST is a real sleeper of an oil, just ask RedLine
In all seriousness I wouldn't hesitate using ST if it was all I had available
In all seriousness I wouldn't hesitate using ST if it was all I had available
Here is the PDS of Supertech 5W30 Full Synthetic
Printed On: March 22, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 FS(DXS) 6/1QT
Inspection Information Test Method Typical Value
Gravity, °API
ASTM D287
34.93
Specific Gravity @ 60°F (15.6°C) ASTM D4052 0.8502
Flash Point, °C
ASTM D92
227
Flash Point, °F ASTM D92 441
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt
ASTM D445
62.09
Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt ASTM D445 10.91
Viscosity Index
ASTM D2270
169
Pour Point, °C (°F) ASTM D5950 -45°C (-49°F)
Cold Cranking Simulator at (°C), cP
ASTM D5293
4400 (-30)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 100°C, cP ASTM D6616 6.9
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150°C, cP
ASTM D5481
3.2
Noack Volatility, % loss ASTM D6375 12
Color
ASTM D1500
3
Zinc, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.085
Phosphorus, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.076
Calcium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.135
Sulfur, wt. %
ASTM D4951
0.3
Magnesium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.059
Boron, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.023
Molybdenum, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.0079
Sulfated Ash, wt. %
ASTM D874
0.9
Nitrogen, wt. % ASTM D4629 0.104
Pumping Viscosity at (°C), cP
ASTM D4684
15,000 (-35)
Shear Stability, Final Viscosity in cSt ASTM D6278 9.4
Foam Seq. I (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
Foam Seq. II (Tendency/Stability), mL ASTM D892 (Opt. A) 10/0
Foam Seq. III (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
High Temperature Foaming, static foam ASTM D6082 (Opt A) 15/0
TBN, mgKOH/g
ASTM D2896
7.9
This looks to be a very nice oil. I would not hesitate to use it in either of my vehicles.
Printed On: March 22, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 FS(DXS) 6/1QT
Inspection Information Test Method Typical Value
Gravity, °API
ASTM D287
34.93
Specific Gravity @ 60°F (15.6°C) ASTM D4052 0.8502
Flash Point, °C
ASTM D92
227
Flash Point, °F ASTM D92 441
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt
ASTM D445
62.09
Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt ASTM D445 10.91
Viscosity Index
ASTM D2270
169
Pour Point, °C (°F) ASTM D5950 -45°C (-49°F)
Cold Cranking Simulator at (°C), cP
ASTM D5293
4400 (-30)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 100°C, cP ASTM D6616 6.9
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150°C, cP
ASTM D5481
3.2
Noack Volatility, % loss ASTM D6375 12
Color
ASTM D1500
3
Zinc, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.085
Phosphorus, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.076
Calcium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.135
Sulfur, wt. %
ASTM D4951
0.3
Magnesium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.059
Boron, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.023
Molybdenum, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.0079
Sulfated Ash, wt. %
ASTM D874
0.9
Nitrogen, wt. % ASTM D4629 0.104
Pumping Viscosity at (°C), cP
ASTM D4684
15,000 (-35)
Shear Stability, Final Viscosity in cSt ASTM D6278 9.4
Foam Seq. I (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
Foam Seq. II (Tendency/Stability), mL ASTM D892 (Opt. A) 10/0
Foam Seq. III (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
High Temperature Foaming, static foam ASTM D6082 (Opt A) 15/0
TBN, mgKOH/g
ASTM D2896
7.9
This looks to be a very nice oil. I would not hesitate to use it in either of my vehicles.
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Originally Posted by ChrisD46
Although it was SN rated - the last specs I saw at PQIA showed Super Tech 5W30 Synthetic oil had a high NOACK of over 11... For a GDI engine would you consider that NOACK rating being an issue ? Conversely , not sure if the NOACK dropped any on Super Tech's newer D1 / Gen 2 SN+ formulation of their 5W30 Synthetic.?
Can I ask you what is the problem you're trying to solve by using ST - get a lower Noack or save some money?
I guess for lower Noack it's valvoline and magnatec, which both are around $22 vs $17 for ST, you probably can't solve both problem with one shot
Although it was SN rated - the last specs I saw at PQIA showed Super Tech 5W30 Synthetic oil had a high NOACK of over 11... For a GDI engine would you consider that NOACK rating being an issue ? Conversely , not sure if the NOACK dropped any on Super Tech's newer D1 / Gen 2 SN+ formulation of their 5W30 Synthetic.?
Can I ask you what is the problem you're trying to solve by using ST - get a lower Noack or save some money?
I guess for lower Noack it's valvoline and magnatec, which both are around $22 vs $17 for ST, you probably can't solve both problem with one shot
Originally Posted by MParr
Here is the PDS of Supertech 5W30 Full Synthetic
Printed On: March 22, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 FS(DXS) 6/1QT
….
This looks to be a very nice oil. I would not hesitate to use it in either of my vehicles.
Every item I checked was exactly the same as MAG 1 5W30 synthetic as shown on the Warren website....I think it's very safe to say they are the SAME oil.
And they are very solid looking by the numbers, yes. I think that CCS result is very good for a budget oil, well under the maximum viscosity allowed at -30C.
The only caveat is that I can get M1 (for example) even cheaper with a rebate, as mentioned above...and it beats the ST oil by a bit on specs that are of interest to me.
Here is the PDS of Supertech 5W30 Full Synthetic
Printed On: March 22, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 FS(DXS) 6/1QT
….
This looks to be a very nice oil. I would not hesitate to use it in either of my vehicles.
Every item I checked was exactly the same as MAG 1 5W30 synthetic as shown on the Warren website....I think it's very safe to say they are the SAME oil.
And they are very solid looking by the numbers, yes. I think that CCS result is very good for a budget oil, well under the maximum viscosity allowed at -30C.
The only caveat is that I can get M1 (for example) even cheaper with a rebate, as mentioned above...and it beats the ST oil by a bit on specs that are of interest to me.
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Originally Posted by MParr
Here is the PDS of Supertech 5W30 Full Synthetic
Printed On: March 22, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 FS(DXS) 6/1QT
Inspection Information Test Method Typical Value
Gravity, °API
ASTM D287
34.93
Specific Gravity @ 60°F (15.6°C) ASTM D4052 0.8502
Flash Point, °C
ASTM D92
227
Flash Point, °F ASTM D92 441
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt
ASTM D445
62.09
Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt ASTM D445 10.91
Viscosity Index
ASTM D2270
169
Pour Point, °C (°F) ASTM D5950 -45°C (-49°F)
Cold Cranking Simulator at (°C), cP
ASTM D5293
4400 (-30)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 100°C, cP ASTM D6616 6.9
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150°C, cP
ASTM D5481
3.2
Noack Volatility, % loss ASTM D6375 12
Color
ASTM D1500
3
Zinc, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.085
Phosphorus, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.076
Calcium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.135
Sulfur, wt. %
ASTM D4951
0.3
Magnesium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.059
Boron, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.023
Molybdenum, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.0079
Sulfated Ash, wt. %
ASTM D874
0.9
Nitrogen, wt. % ASTM D4629 0.104
Pumping Viscosity at (°C), cP
ASTM D4684
15,000 (-35)
Shear Stability, Final Viscosity in cSt ASTM D6278 9.4
Foam Seq. I (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
Foam Seq. II (Tendency/Stability), mL ASTM D892 (Opt. A) 10/0
Foam Seq. III (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
High Temperature Foaming, static foam ASTM D6082 (Opt A) 15/0
TBN, mgKOH/g
ASTM D2896
7.9
This looks to be a very nice oil. I would not hesitate to use it in either of my vehicles.
It's just a good oil at a good price. Nothing more nothing less.
Here is the PDS of Supertech 5W30 Full Synthetic
Printed On: March 22, 2019
Description
WALMART 5W30 FS(DXS) 6/1QT
Inspection Information Test Method Typical Value
Gravity, °API
ASTM D287
34.93
Specific Gravity @ 60°F (15.6°C) ASTM D4052 0.8502
Flash Point, °C
ASTM D92
227
Flash Point, °F ASTM D92 441
Viscosity @ 40°C, cSt
ASTM D445
62.09
Viscosity @ 100°C, cSt ASTM D445 10.91
Viscosity Index
ASTM D2270
169
Pour Point, °C (°F) ASTM D5950 -45°C (-49°F)
Cold Cranking Simulator at (°C), cP
ASTM D5293
4400 (-30)
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 100°C, cP ASTM D6616 6.9
High Temperature / High Shear Vis at 150°C, cP
ASTM D5481
3.2
Noack Volatility, % loss ASTM D6375 12
Color
ASTM D1500
3
Zinc, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.085
Phosphorus, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.076
Calcium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.135
Sulfur, wt. %
ASTM D4951
0.3
Magnesium, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.059
Boron, wt. %
ASTM D5185
0.023
Molybdenum, wt. % ASTM D5185 0.0079
Sulfated Ash, wt. %
ASTM D874
0.9
Nitrogen, wt. % ASTM D4629 0.104
Pumping Viscosity at (°C), cP
ASTM D4684
15,000 (-35)
Shear Stability, Final Viscosity in cSt ASTM D6278 9.4
Foam Seq. I (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
Foam Seq. II (Tendency/Stability), mL ASTM D892 (Opt. A) 10/0
Foam Seq. III (Tendency/Stability), mL
ASTM D892 (Opt. A)
0/0
High Temperature Foaming, static foam ASTM D6082 (Opt A) 15/0
TBN, mgKOH/g
ASTM D2896
7.9
This looks to be a very nice oil. I would not hesitate to use it in either of my vehicles.
It's just a good oil at a good price. Nothing more nothing less.
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