Also likely the most reliable.Rides choppy like a BOF on a very short wheelbase.
Ride is subjective.
Also likely the most reliable.Rides choppy like a BOF on a very short wheelbase.
Thanks for the posts. We do in fact currently own a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan. I love it for what it is. But... the wife wants to move-on from the minivan experience. I’ve tried many times to circle her back to a minivan but she simply won’t have it. So yes, I 100% agree on the minivan. There’s a lot of value to be had in a minivan. I’ll keep working on her but she really likes Highlanders.
What about the engine and trans in the Highlander? Seems like I’ve seen or heard some years are to be avoided?
Also likely the most reliable.
Ride is subjective.
Are we playing BINGO?Bingo!
The suspension is geared for off-road., I owned one. One of the most uncomfortable vehicles I have ever owned to date. Reliable yes. It's exactly what the OP doesn't want.
Sigh. Yes, we know of your long-standing dislike of the 4Runner. Michelin. Oh, and the Crown Vic...
The 4Runner model I mentioned DOES match his wants and qualifications.
IF you're referring to the truck based comment, he specifically said "full-size". The 4Runner is not based on a "full-size".
So my suggestion is just another option that met the OP's qualifications.
So please give your one man anti-4Runner, Michelin, and Crown Vic crusade a rest.
You know it really doesn't matter. He will not find a 4Runner within his budget with out mega miles on it. Will he?
Here’s a fun challenge for you all.
The wife’s checklist of preferences:
1) Must NOT be a minivan
2) Must NOT be a truck based full-sized SUV
3) Must have 3rd row seating for 6-7
4) Must be AWD
5) Good safety ratings
Here’s my checklist of preferences:
1) $20-25k price range
2) 5-10 years old
3) 75k miles or less
4) Proven reliability; without known oil consumption, timing chain, transmission problems or other costly repairs.
5) Cost of general maintenance not crazy expensive and DIY friendly in many cases.
6) Engine and drivetrain can easily make it to at least 200k miles and beyond without major problems or need for replacement
Does such a vehicle exist?
Here’s a fun challenge for you all.
The wife’s checklist of preferences:
1) Must NOT be a minivan
2) Must NOT be a truck based full-sized SUV
3) Must have 3rd row seating for 6-7
4) Must be AWD
5) Good safety ratings
Here’s my checklist of preferences:
1) $20-25k price range
2) 5-10 years old
3) 75k miles or less
4) Proven reliability; without known oil consumption, timing chain, transmission problems or other costly repairs.
5) Cost of general maintenance not crazy expensive and DIY friendly in many cases.
6) Engine and drivetrain can easily make it to at least 200k miles and beyond without major problems or need for replacement
Does such a vehicle exist?
Thanks for asking! Today we looked at a 2014 Santa Fe GLS and a 2015 Journey AWD Crossroad. This was really the first time either one of us looked more seriously at this type of SUV. Again, this will be the wife's primary vehicle so it's really about her preferences. Her impressions of both vehicles is that she didn't really like the side blind spots. Currently owing a minivan which could be likened to driving a large fish bowel, it was hard for her to imagine driving the SUV style vehicle with the reduced side visibility. Having self admitted depth perception issues, this is of great concern for her.What did her research turn up?
I’m not one to bash FCA, but I’d pass on the Journey. Step up to a Durango, a bit bigger but better AWD system. Should be able to find a 2014+ Limited/GT with the 3.6 Pentastar in that range. I also have non-existent depth perception and had no problems driving the Durango.Thanks for asking! Today we looked at a 2014 Santa Fe GLS and a 2015 Journey AWD Crossroad. This was really the first time either one of us looked more seriously at this type of SUV. Again, this will be the wife's primary vehicle so it's really about her preferences. Her impressions of both vehicles is that she didn't really like the side blind spots. Currently owing a minivan which could be likened to driving a large fish bowel, it was hard for her to imagine driving the SUV style vehicle with the reduced side visibility. Having self admitted depth perception issues, this is of great concern for her.
For me, I just don't understand the draw to this type of vehicle. To willingly and happily give up leg room and cargo space for what? Guess it's all about ones priorities. For me, the top priorities for family hauler is utility and value and in my personal opinion, the minivan is very hard to beat. So now I think the wife is a little more willing to take a second look at a minivan. We both like the styling of the third gen Sienna, so that's probably the direction we'll be heading in, an AWD one. Hey! I think someone already suggested that in this thread.
One other disappointing discovery about both these third-row SUVs we looked at today is gaining access to the third-row. Unless we weren't doing it right I had assumed that at least one side of the second row seat would fold up and hinge forward on it's front mount to allow ease of access to the third row. It's not really too big of a deal for our young agile children to navigate this, but to expect them to perform this feat multiple times per family outing hardly seems fair to do to them particularly when one considers how children have a way of growing-up with time.
So for now, that's where we are.
If she is getting Highlander just bcs. of looks, it is poor choice. Sienna actually feels more planted than Highlander. I was thinking HL when I figured my X5 was too small, just to figure out I am getting at best 2 inches more space in trunk, similar in second row, and lose A LOT in everything else.Thanks for the posts. We do in fact currently own a 2002 Dodge Grand Caravan. I love it for what it is. But... the wife wants to move-on from the minivan experience. I’ve tried many times to circle her back to a minivan but she simply won’t have it. So yes, I 100% agree on the minivan. There’s a lot of value to be had in a minivan. I’ll keep working on her but she really likes Highlanders.
What about the engine and trans in the Highlander? Seems like I’ve seen or heard some years are to be avoided?
Wife and I had a rental in Florida last year that was a Journey. Biggest pile of **** ever. The passenger headlight was 3/4 full of water. Ended up taking it back to Alamo and they gave us a brand new 4-runner instead.I’m not one to bash FCA, but I’d pass on the Journey. Step up to a Durango, a bit bigger but better AWD system. Should be able to find a 2014+ Limited/GT with the 3.6 Pentastar in that range. I also have non-existent depth perception and had no problems driving the Durango.