Store brands????

345hemi · May 30, 2012

Read this article from BlackStone labs. They have cosigned what alot of us on here have found to be true. Store brand oils are the same as the major labels.

http://www.blackstone-labs.com/which-oil-to-use.php

daves87rs · May 30, 2012

Not exactly the same, but close. Though a bunch depends on the company that makes it too...

Chris142 · May 30, 2012

warren supplies many store brands and is a great product

ARCOgraphite · May 30, 2012

Which warren? I think there are three distinct and separate companies, Warren Oil Co, Warren Unilube/WPP etc ... Still cant tell how good an oil runs in YOUR engine untill you run it. And it varies batch by batch as the base blends are a constantly moving target.

Bgallagher · May 30, 2012

Originally Posted By: Chris142
warren supplies many store brands and is a great product

I use Supertech (mine is blended by Warren in my part of the country) in most of my equipment and they run great. I also use it for top offs when I am out of my normal stash. Warren makes great products for the normal DIYers

Ken2 · May 30, 2012

Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Chris142
warren supplies many store brands and is a great product

I use Supertech (mine is blended by Warren in my part of the country) in most of my equipment and they run great. I also use it for top offs when I am out of my normal stash. Warren makes great products for the normal DIYers
Well.... Can we agree that Walmart's oil is adequate for most engines using short to moderate length oil drain intervals. I'm not at all sure that WPP makes GREAT products.

ARCOgraphite · May 30, 2012

I was going to argue with Ken2 that most of the Warrens (be it WPP or Warren oil - again completely different companies) are better than average simply by looking at PQI tests, This one doesn't meet the 5w category(!):

http://www.pqiamerica.com/January2012A/January2012R2/Proline.htm

dave1251 · May 30, 2012

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I was going to argue with Ken2 that most of the Warrens (be it WPP or Warren oil - again completely different companies) are better than average simply by looking at PQI tests, This one doesn't meet the 5w category(!):

http://www.pqiamerica.com/January2012A/January2012R2/Proline.htm

You misstated PQI. PQI stated
"The results of the tests conducted on this sample meet the requirements of API SN/GF-5, with the exception of the CCS Viscosity @ -30°C, which is very slightly higher than the specification for an SAE 5w30. The viscosity does, however, fall well within the API expanded range, which takes into account test reproducibility."

antiqueshell · May 30, 2012

Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I was going to argue with Ken2 that most of the Warrens (be it WPP or Warren oil - again completely different companies) are better than average simply by looking at PQI tests, This one doesn't meet the 5w category(!):

http://www.pqiamerica.com/January2012A/January2012R2/Proline.htm

It doesn't but it probably would be a 6.5w30! LOL

As far as I am concerned something like this is almost certainly an abberation, that is an exception for the company not the rule. I wouldn't hesitate to use that product for a second.

ARCOgraphite · May 31, 2012

Was not Supertech SS 75w-90 gear oil misformulated (and recalled) within the past 5 years too?

ARCOgraphite · May 31, 2012

Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
I was going to argue with Ken2 that most of the Warrens (be it WPP or Warren oil - again completely different companies) are better than average simply by looking at PQI tests, This one doesn't meet the 5w category(!):

http://www.pqiamerica.com/January2012A/January2012R2/Proline.htm

You misstated PQI. PQI stated
"The results of the tests conducted on this sample meet the requirements of API SN/GF-5, with the exception of the CCS Viscosity @ -30°C, which is very slightly higher than the specification for an SAE 5w30. The viscosity does, however, fall well within the API expanded range, which takes into account test reproducibility."
I would think the RANGE would take into account test reproducability. Anything with a tolerance has a Gauge/method R&R associated with it. This expanded range baloney is just more catering to the industry that is self-policed. This falls into the oxymoron category of Business Ethics and Pretty Ugly

Bgallagher · May 31, 2012

Originally Posted By: Ken2
Originally Posted By: Bgallagher
Originally Posted By: Chris142
warren supplies many store brands and is a great product

I use Supertech (mine is blended by Warren in my part of the country) in most of my equipment and they run great. I also use it for top offs when I am out of my normal stash. Warren makes great products for the normal DIYers
Well.... Can we agree that Walmart's oil is adequate for most engines using short to moderate length oil drain intervals. I'm not at all sure that WPP makes GREAT products.

I said my equipment RUNS great with them. Not that WPP is great oil. Obviously there are much better products in the market but I am not going to throw AMSOIL in a 7 year old tractor (how un BITOG of me to say haha.) WPP makes fine oils and I agree that they are perfect for normal change intervals but that doesn't mean it is a bad oil

KCJeep · May 31, 2012

SuperTech can be Warren or XOM, in a few regions some people think it's SOPUS who knows but it seems decent stuff.

Virtually all of NAPA's branded fluids come from Ashland, but I wouldn't go so far as to believe they are identical to Valvoline.

I am convinced AAP's oil is Castrol.

I'm currently running STP 5w30 in my wifes Venture, it's an off brand usually found only at Dollar General, when tested by the PQIA it really shined and thus far I've been really pleased with it in the Venture, I plan to get a used oil analysis on it.

lexus114 · May 31, 2012

STP huh? Or "Stinky Toilet Paper" As we called it when we were kids.

RF Overlord · May 31, 2012

Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I am convinced AAP's oil is Castrol.
Not disputing you, but I've used both AAP and Castrol Mercon V and they look and smell very different. AAP's version is somewhat orange-y, where Castrol's is very red, like cherry cough syrup, just like most other brands of ATF.

daves87rs · May 31, 2012

Originally Posted By: lexus114
STP huh? Or "Stinky Toilet Paper" As we called it when we were kids.

lol..

KCJeep · May 31, 2012

RF Overlord, I know what you're talking about, and the ATF's are very similar in VOA's, but the motor oil is virtually a dead ringer. I didn't mean to infer it was exactly the same stuff but I am convinced Castrol is making AAP's fluids, although I'll concede the add packs are also very much like Ashland products as well. I'd consider it good stuff either way.

I also find it interesting the only two fluids you can get using AAP on line codes is the AAP ATF and yep, Castrol.

dave1251 · Jun 1, 2012

Originally Posted By: RF Overlord
Originally Posted By: KCJeep
I am convinced AAP's oil is Castrol.
Not disputing you, but I've used both AAP and Castrol Mercon V and they look and smell very different. AAP's version is somewhat orange-y, where Castrol's is very red, like cherry cough syrup, just like most other brands of ATF.

Look at GTX and Valvoline conventional VOA's since around Sept of 2011. The add packs are almost identical.

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