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[Wolf359]

Nope. It's my money. I worked for it, not them. I also did not get a vote on the law, nor is anyone entitled to my money. Literally the only reason I pay taxes because it's cheaper than the alternative.

You live in a society governed by laws. You did get to vote for the laws by voting for your representation. If your candidate didn't win, it meant you lost. You can't win every battle. You're only fooling yourself by pretending and thinking that it's all your money. Never was.

Your alternative is to live in a country like Greece where people cheat on their taxes all the time and it's almost a failed state because the government has no money. There's many other countries where people don't pay their taxes and the government/economy is in shambles. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[Ws6]

You live in a society governed by laws. You did get to vote for the laws by voting for your representation. If your candidate didn't win, it meant you lost. You can't win every battle. You're only fooling yourself by pretending and thinking that it's all your money. Never was.

Your alternative is to live in a country like Greece where people cheat on their taxes all the time and it's almost a failed state because the government has no money. There's many other countries where people don't pay their taxes and the government/economy is in shambles. Be careful what you wish for.

Yes it was, and yes, it is my money. It is being stolen. Just because a bunch of people got together without my consent and decided it was cool, does not mean that I have decided that it's cool.

America was somehow doing just fine before all these handouts and taxes came to be. Its economy was not "in shambles".

Yes, it IS the law, about that you are correct. I do not equate right and wrong with the law, though. All the law is, is a list of criteria and potential penalties for deciding not to adhere to said criteria. It has zero to do with morals, morality, being a good person, being right, or anything else. It's literally the same as the menu at McDonalds that lists cost/calories. What'cha wanna eat? In fact, most of the law is just ANOTHER form of taxation/theft. Look at the idiotic stuff on the books. Collecting rain water apparently has strict guidelines. Just wow.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/states-where-it-is-illegal-to-collect-rainwater

 

[PandaBear]

No. I get nothing from the IRS. I paid them $2200 this last month, above and beyond what they steal from my wages.

Manufacturing is NOT a "fluff job".

I pay thousands of dollars per year in taxes. Taxes that are then paid as income to people who arent productive at all. At the end of the year/before april 15, I cut a check for more taxes. No mental gymnastics are required to understand who is working and who is sponging.

The amount of money you paid in taxes, means you have a fluff job and are not very productive in our society. You don't really pay much because the market economy tells you that's how much you are worth. Don't get angry at me, you are just using the same logic on the people with fluff jobs because they are paying less taxes than you. So I think it is fair that I get to call your job a fluff job using your logics.

Next time please tell your teacher, your librarians, your local road repair crew, your fire fighters, that they have fluff jobs because they are paid with your tax dollar who aren't productive at all.

 

[PandaBear]

You live in a society governed by laws. You did get to vote for the laws by voting for your representation. If your candidate didn't win, it meant you lost. You can't win every battle. You're only fooling yourself by pretending and thinking that it's all your money. Never was.

Your alternative is to live in a country like Greece where people cheat on their taxes all the time and it's almost a failed state because the government has no money. There's many other countries where people don't pay their taxes and the government/economy is in shambles. Be careful what you wish for.

It was not his money, it was my money, as he said earlier that he only paid $2k a month, I paid more than that and I get to say his job is a fluff job and it is my money, not his, like how he said others' retail jobs with lower pay are fluff jobs.

BTW, Japanese central bank paid more in dollar devaluation via QE than ws6, so the Japanese got to say ws6 got a fluff job too, beside we all know Japan has higher taxes than we do and they pay more in QE than us.

 

[PandaBear]

Now let's take someone who is in section 8 housing and refuses to work. Would their absence save you money? Yes.

As a landlord who rented to section 8 tenants, this is not what is going on.

Most section 8 tenants work, but at below "living wages", which means they are working poor. They get paid above minimum wages but below living wages of the market. So what it really is going on is section 8 subsidize your local economy by increasing rent to the landlord and reducing labor cost to your local businesses.

For example, my tenant work as a restaurant waiter, his wife works as a janitor in offices, their daughter went to college and get an engineering degree, and the section 8 subsidize them based on how much or how little they make, and as their income increase section 8 reduce the hand out. As soon as their daughter reaches college age she is on other program (loan, grant, scholarship, etc). She is now an engineering manager working in my company, we have lunch together once in a while. We attend her wedding and she attend ours.

Her dad did not become lazy and sit at home, her mom did not become lazy and sit at home, they raised their daughter well, they are now off the program, their daughter are making big money and paying lots of taxes.

And they get to call your low tax job a fluff job now.

 

[Ws6]

The amount of money you paid in taxes, means you have a fluff job and are not very productive in our society. You don't really pay much because the market economy tells you that's how much you are worth. Don't get angry at me, you are just using the same logic on the people with fluff jobs because they are paying less taxes than you. So I think it is fair that I get to call your job a fluff job using your logics.

Next time please tell your teacher, your librarians, your local road repair crew, your fire fighters, that they have fluff jobs because they are paid with your tax dollar who aren't productive at all.

Reading comprehension is fundamental. Please exercise it.

 

[PandaBear]

Reading comprehension is fundamental.

Not according to your logics. They are low income so they must be doing fluff jobs. The world won't end without them.

Oh, they steal from you too.

 

[Ws6]

Not according to your logics. They are low income so they must be doing fluff jobs. The world won't end without them.

Oh, they steal from you too.

Again, please read my posts. Income has zero to do with a "fluff" job. You keep equating money with the value of a job, and it just ain't so. I know you know this, because you wanted to talk about firefighters and all that jazz, so I know you understand.

 

[alarmguy]

So, let's see what happen during this last year:

1) People stopped eating out at restaurants, people stop taking vacations, people stopped buying cars (because of production shortage) ...

First let me say I do agree with you, my entire family (except my kids) did the above, including nephews and nieces

Now let me say, as hard as some people might find this to believe. My wife and I have continued our living our lives as we always have, sure some modifications to be careful. (Hand sanitizer, going out to dinner early before the crowds, no buffet type places ect)

But, we continued our date nights every Saturday night going out to dinner together, we still took two vacations to two different destinations during the summer of 2020, we actually did buy a new SUV in the very late Spring to early Summer of 2020.
We truly continued our lives is a more careful safe way but really did not change one thing except we didnt go to a movie theater and didnt have that option, though we might have gone before they closed.

Accepting what my wife and I have done, (we were actually talking about this last night) I can only imagine a pent up desire and pent up demand from others to get "outside" and freely spend money and to do things as this pandemic comes to an end and IT IS ENDING.

Money should start flowing freely and I think flowing so much that inflation will take off, I am actually hoping for that. I think this lull (if you can call it that, its retarded what we may think of as a lull now a days) in the market will be short lived and who knows what I mean by short lived, which to me is 6 months or less.

 

[PimTac]

Who is they? They who call certain jobs fluff jobs. They who look down on certain people.

They who call others deplorables.

It’s very demeaning.

 

[Ws6]

Who is they? They who call certain jobs fluff jobs. They who look down on certain people.

They who call others deplorables.

It’s very demeaning.

Some jobs exist just to exist. They are only about money, and noone would really miss them if they evaporated. Those jobs are not what keeps the country running, or even provides a reasonable service. They are make-do positions, graft, etc.

 

[JeffKeryk]

Again, please read my posts. Income has zero to do with a "fluff" job. You keep equating money with the value of a job, and it just ain't so. I know you know this, because you wanted to talk about firefighters and all that jazz, so I know you understand.

Ws6, I guess I was humbly suggesting you think less about fluffs and sponges; it is wasted, negative energy.
The study of Economics is concerned with the distribution of scarce resources.
Spend your resources wisely. You just might end up paying more taxes.
Good luck.

 

[PandaBear]

Some jobs exist just to exist. They are only about money, and noone would really miss them if they evaporated. Those jobs are not what keeps the country running, or even provides a reasonable service. They are make-do positions, graft, etc.

I would like to apologize for taking things out on you earlier, intentionally. That was an exercise to show what you are really doing to others by calling their jobs fluff jobs. What your original logics is your money is stolen and end up as payment to fluff jobs and hand outs, and I use your same logics to apply back to you because you think you get to decide who is doing a fluff jobs and what is "your money" by claiming that you are the standard bearer because you pay more taxes, and once you declare that it is your money you get to decide who is stealing.

So I applied the same logic back to you because I know fore sure I pay way more taxes than you, so I get to declare you are doing fluff jobs and your local teachers, librarians, fire fighters, etc are stealing my money.

Of course I do not believe in that, and I "pardon" you by using your logics for doing that as well. It is just an exercise to show you the flaw in your logics.

 

[PandaBear]

Ws6, I guess I was humbly suggesting you think less about fluffs and sponges; it is wasted, negative energy.
The study of Economics is concerned with the distribution of scarce resources.
Spend your resources wisely. You just might end up paying more taxes.
Good luck.

I think what you mean is "you just might end up making more money so you get to pay more taxes".

 

[PandaBear]

Again, please read my posts. Income has zero to do with a "fluff" job. You keep equating money with the value of a job, and it just ain't so. I know you know this, because you wanted to talk about firefighters and all that jazz, so I know you understand.

First off, businesses are not charity, they would cut down wasteful labor if they can. This is why you are seeing self checkout and security cameras all over the stores these days. Second, it cost money to provide you something. It could be the cost to grow the grains, to raise the chicken, to slaughter the chicken, to haul them to the store, to stock them on the shelf, to clean the store you go to at night, to scan your bar code faster than you can self checkout, to "greet" you at the entrance of Walmart and to highlight your receipt when you leave. They are all doing something and the stores decide what is needed or not. What the store charges is between you and the store, what the store pay the people working in the industry is between the store and the industry and the people. It is not your money they are stealing and Walmart decided they are not doing fluff jobs.

I repeat, Walmart decided that the people working there are doing what they are doing, and how much to pay them, it is between Walmart and the people, it is not between you and the people there. You do not get to decide if they are doing a fluff job or not, their employers do.

So if you have a problem with that, call Walmart customer services, tell them they are wasting your money by hiring for fluff jobs, and if they disagree ask to speak to their managers. Don't do it in store though or else a security guard may ask you to leave.

Now, scale this logics up to our societies. Do not do the calling in person to other people in the community though, only do it on the internet, or you might end up on the Internet as a meme.

 

[Ws6]

I would like to apologize for taking things out on you earlier, intentionally. That was an exercise to show what you are really doing to others by calling their jobs fluff jobs. What your original logics is your money is stolen and end up as payment to fluff jobs and hand outs, and I use your same logics to apply back to you because you think you get to decide who is doing a fluff jobs and what is "your money" by claiming that you are the standard bearer because you pay more taxes, and once you declare that it is your money you get to decide who is stealing.

So I applied the same logic back to you because I know fore sure I pay way more taxes than you, so I get to declare you are doing fluff jobs and your local teachers, librarians, fire fighters, etc are stealing my money.

Of course I do not believe in that, and I "pardon" you by using your logics for doing that as well. It is just an exercise to show you the flaw in your logics.

I dont get to decide what jobs we need as society. Society decided. Clearly. "Essential" was the word used, in fact.

 

[Ws6]

First off, businesses are not charity, they would cut down wasteful labor if they can. This is why you are seeing self checkout and security cameras all over the stores these days. Second, it cost money to provide you something. It could be the cost to grow the grains, to raise the chicken, to slaughter the chicken, to haul them to the store, to stock them on the shelf, to clean the store you go to at night, to scan your bar code faster than you can self checkout, to "greet" you at the entrance of Walmart and to highlight your receipt when you leave. They are all doing something and the stores decide what is needed or not. What the store charges is between you and the store, what the store pay the people working in the industry is between the store and the industry and the people. It is not your money they are stealing and Walmart decided they are not doing fluff jobs.

I repeat, Walmart decided that the people working there are doing what they are doing, and how much to pay them, it is between Walmart and the people, it is not between you and the people there. You do not get to decide if they are doing a fluff job or not, their employers do.

So if you have a problem with that, call Walmart customer services, tell them they are wasting your money by hiring for fluff jobs, and if they disagree ask to speak to their managers. Don't do it in store though or else a security guard may ask you to leave.

Now, scale this logics up to our societies. Do not do the calling in person to other people in the community though, only do it on the internet, or you might end up on the Internet as a meme.

Walmart employees seemed plenty essential to me. They didnt sit at home while people who's jobs mattered kept America afloat. Nope. They mattered, too, and were right out there working.


Let me make this simple: Did you sit at home last year and get paid by people's taxes, who were working, to burn oxygen? Then your job might not be super necessary.

Did you keep working for your pay? Then congrats! Your job is not just fluff.

 

[Ws6]

Ws6, I guess I was humbly suggesting you think less about fluffs and sponges; it is wasted, negative energy.
The study of Economics is concerned with the distribution of scarce resources.
Spend your resources wisely. You just might end up paying more taxes.
Good luck.

Actually taking a pay cut this year so less taxes. That said, money really isn't everything to me, so I'm not upset about it. You're right, though, dealing with some things is a cost. Maybe not monetary, even.

 

[PandaBear]

I dont get to decide what jobs we need as society. Society decided. Clearly. "Essential" was the word used, in fact.

Agree, and the existence of these jobs mean someone think they are worth keeping.

Of course we don't get equilibrium all the time. Sometimes it takes decades for some old jobs to exit the market. For example we have a lot of excess milk these days and farms are gradually giving up and exiting. It takes a decade or two but eventually we will have fewer bigger farms. It does not mean today's dairy farmers are doing fluff jobs, or are not essential. What happen to them are unfortunate but natural in the economy, and it takes time for things to eventually settle down one way or another.

 

[Ws6]

Agree, and the existence of these jobs mean someone think they are worth keeping.

Of course we don't get equilibrium all the time. Sometimes it takes decades for some old jobs to exit the market. For example we have a lot of excess milk these days and farms are gradually giving up and exiting. It takes a decade or two but eventually we will have fewer bigger farms. It does not mean today's dairy farmers are doing fluff jobs, or are not essential. What happen to them are unfortunate but natural in the economy, and it takes time for things to eventually settle down one way or another.

I'd agree dairy farms are somewhat an aberration. Nothing is absolute.