Everyone knows the Baddest bad guys and coolest hero's drive Mopar. Not some one legged weak sister Ford Muffstain or some cookie cutter Bowtie. Stand above the sea of mediocrity with your bad self and pity the weenie's that can't sack up enough to have the meanest vehicle to terrorize the streets since the Dodge Brothers supplied beer to its factory workers to keep them from striking. Go ahead and get an Asian car so it doesn't wrinkle your dress. Leave the real deal to the gourmet's and the rest can have their warm milk and dry toast. lol
Stellantis negative sentiment
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CR is an interesting source of data. It’s CR subscribers that report. Are they representative of broad market experience? Or are they a self-selecting subset of the market? I certainly lean towards the latter…
Let's face it....every brand / OEM has had issues......yes some more than others. Currently there is tremendous over capacity in the whole industry and some OEMs will probably not survive. This same situation played out in the early part of the 20th century where many OEMs either could not survive the depression or were not competitive enough with what were then the Big 3.
Many industry pundits were throwing rocks at Toyota when all of the OEMs seem to have a solid EV strategy and Toyota remained focused on hybrids. Now most of them are backing off of that to move to hybrids like Toyota. But even mighty Toyota has had to compete in ways they never had to previously, with platform sharing with Subaru, and platform acquisition with BMW.
What is clear to me from my POV is that the Stellantis CEO is going to give every brand their chance to deliver on revenues and profits. Some may survive and others may not, but at the end of the day profits is what keeps the OEM in business.
Many industry pundits were throwing rocks at Toyota when all of the OEMs seem to have a solid EV strategy and Toyota remained focused on hybrids. Now most of them are backing off of that to move to hybrids like Toyota. But even mighty Toyota has had to compete in ways they never had to previously, with platform sharing with Subaru, and platform acquisition with BMW.
What is clear to me from my POV is that the Stellantis CEO is going to give every brand their chance to deliver on revenues and profits. Some may survive and others may not, but at the end of the day profits is what keeps the OEM in business.
If you haven't noticed I like poking the hornets nest.
Owning a '19 Wrangler I purchased new, I get it. Stellantis had a rash of QC problems that simply never should have existed.
Off the top of my head: frame welds were horrendous (and, no, this is not people not understanding what robotic welds should look like, as has been suggested here before), fuses and relays not fully seated, a limited grip rear that eats itself and knocks, the inability to cure death wobble which is well understood, a manual trans clutch that catches fire, steering that locks up from an aluminum steering box, engine oil leaks galore, (pretty much all motors), heated steering wheel module fries, and 30 things I'm forgetting
KL Cherokees eat front struts and radiators at an alarming rate.
Some like to blame things like the limited grip and clutch on those sub-OEMs, but better companies vet their suppliers more carefully (er, well, except for that whole Takata thing.....)
That said, I purchased my JL expecting the feces show, so I'm just amused rather than disappointed. If anyone else made a SFA vehicle in this category, I'd consider it. I had high hopes for the new Bronco, but we all know how that went.
Off the top of my head: frame welds were horrendous (and, no, this is not people not understanding what robotic welds should look like, as has been suggested here before), fuses and relays not fully seated, a limited grip rear that eats itself and knocks, the inability to cure death wobble which is well understood, a manual trans clutch that catches fire, steering that locks up from an aluminum steering box, engine oil leaks galore, (pretty much all motors), heated steering wheel module fries, and 30 things I'm forgetting
KL Cherokees eat front struts and radiators at an alarming rate.
Some like to blame things like the limited grip and clutch on those sub-OEMs, but better companies vet their suppliers more carefully (er, well, except for that whole Takata thing.....)
That said, I purchased my JL expecting the feces show, so I'm just amused rather than disappointed. If anyone else made a SFA vehicle in this category, I'd consider it. I had high hopes for the new Bronco, but we all know how that went.
LOL It would be sort of like a "National Public Radio Listener's Survey".
Let's not downplay the numerous cam/lifter issues plaguing the 5.7 and 3.6So the brand where we've got multiple threads about engines crapping the bed left, right and centre, is viewed as "more reliable", that's hilarious!
"What's that poking out of your hood there Rod?"
"Oh, that's just a connecting rod Jim. This car has been extremely reliable!"
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Theres a big difference betwixt trolling and playing devils advocate.If you haven't noticed I like poking the hornets nest.
I held a mirror up to sloinker's post #41, above. Wanna see how it reads?
"I'd rather have an unwashed, outdated pacemaker with battery recharging problems hacked from the chest of an Al Qaeda warrior with a different blood type than me and venereal diseases, installed in my chest than drive a Mopar."
Oh...the Dodge dealership I worked at in 1973 also sold tinny, wretched cars....so that proves it!
But I'm still pullin' for Stellantis. You can always tell a Mets fan with an 'underdog complex'.
"I'd rather have an unwashed, outdated pacemaker with battery recharging problems hacked from the chest of an Al Qaeda warrior with a different blood type than me and venereal diseases, installed in my chest than drive a Mopar."
Oh...the Dodge dealership I worked at in 1973 also sold tinny, wretched cars....so that proves it!
But I'm still pullin' for Stellantis. You can always tell a Mets fan with an 'underdog complex'.
Hmm I might need to consider one. Surely they mastered it by now?
Stone cold as in, “it won’t even run, so the engine is stone cold”?
Part of the issue with these reliability ratings is that they are “perceived reliability”. If you buy a $21k car new and something doesn’t always work quite right, you’re much less likely to fuss than if the same issue happened in your $85k SUV. As we all know, what one perceives is their reality even if it doesn’t match with actual data.
I’d imagine that’s at least partly responsible for Benz dragging the bottom with Chrysler… with all the marque mystique and fancy commercials that Benz marketing has created, every little issue results in higher levels of customer dissatisfaction, IMO.
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OK, I had issue with brakes on my Toyota. Pedal is soft, than normal, than soft. My colleague has same model. I asked him did he ever have that issue and he said: “oh, yeah, same thing.” At that point I am thinking, great, he will tell me what was an issue so I don’t have to dig inside the car, so I asked him what was it? He said “I don’t know, it never bothered me.” And than added how that was best car he ever owned.
So, you want to establish reliability rating by calling people to give opinion about it.
Yes, excellent methodology.
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There was no need to master anything.
After reading 3 pages of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that Stellantis is polarizing just like anchovies or pineapple topping on pizza. You either like them or you don't and no amount of discussion, argument, or intimidation will get anyone to change their opinion.
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FCA has sold 10's of millions of hemis. "Plaguing"? What do you think happens when you sell that kind of volume, everything gets magnified 100% vs (say) problems with the Tundra's 5.7 that sells very little.
And GMC/Chevy have issues with their V8's as well, both AFM and DFM are destroying lifters. Ford has issues with the ecoboost and the 5.0 (though I'd bet the 5.0 being slightly the most reliable v8 all things considered).
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Both are fun.
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5.7L has been pretty much solved with lifter revision #7 or whatever we got in 2019, lol. But even then, most of those, even in the higher rate of failure years of 2010-2013, still often went like 200,000 miles before they failed, and the engines weren't locking up or anything.
Also, we can't ignore that this same issue extended to both GM and Ford with their pushrod motors, so it's more an industry (supplier) problem than it is an FCA/Stellantis one.
Yep. Everything breaks, in the end drive what you like the most and just make yourself aware of potential issues.
My dad's 2013 Grand Cherokee 5.7L had a failed lifter at 201,000 miles. That vehicle had oil changes going by the OLM (10-11,000 miles) towing every other weekend, and he drives with a lead foot. It also had a radiator that started leaking (likely damaged from one of the previous accidents he had) and it drove for a few miles with no coolant before he realized what was happening.
All things considered not too bad, which is why he bought another 5.7L GC.
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