Doesn't quite roll off the tongue. Something like local bigfoot expert says this area is safe from bigfoot, they don't like this particular area due to...
Stanford Professor warns massive UFO disclosure is around the corner.
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Take it up with them.
We have no idea what they do and don't have, only what they tell us, and observation that their position changed.
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I don't really have an issue with it and I'm not afraid of what they're doing. They're just doing their job. I'm not reading anything more into that what they're already doing. Basically nothing to see here, time to move along.
But what did they call themselves? Couldn't be ancient alien theorists because they're saying that they're already here. Modern alien experts?
Everyone is free to feel as they wish about the DNI declaring UAP real and a threat.
There is a large range of reaction all over the world.
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And I ain't hiding from nobody
Nobody's hiding from me
Oh, that's the way it's supposed to be
Nobody's hiding from me
Oh, that's the way it's supposed to be
There is a mesa in northern New Mexico that has a vast underground base inhabited by aliens. Somehow they managed to build that base right under the noses of the local inhabitants.
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As a Physicist and Aerospace Scientist, I am very interested in seeing some real unequivocal data.
So, will they be presenting real data such as laboratory experiments, paint or metallic smears of near or actual collisions, observations explainable through known physics, or will they continue with their Ancient Aliens (Chariots of the Gods) (astronaut) inferences, conjectures, and biased interpretations? There is a difference.
Sounds more like Oil marketing hype than it being a scientific paper.
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Maybe we are the intelligent self repairing and reproducing robots of which you speak???
MolaKule
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This belief system in ufoology and ancient astronauts comes from two main philosophical sources, Pleiadianism and Raelism. I'll let you google it and study it.
Also, Fiction in science has lately become a dogmatic belief system.
"...This [DNI] report provides an overview for policymakers of the challenges associated with characterizing the potential threat posed by UAP while also providing a means to develop relevant processes, policies, technologies, and training for the U.S. military and other U.S. Government (USG) personnel if and when they encounter UAP, so as to enhance the Intelligence Community’s (IC) ability to understand the threat...."
"...Although most of the UAP described in our dataset probably remain unidentified due to limited data or challenges to collection processing or analysis, we may require additional scientific knowledge to successfully collect on, analyze and characterize some of them. We would group such objects in this category pending scientific advances that allowed us to better understand them. The UAPTF intends to focus additional analysis on the small number of cases where a UAP appeared to display unusual flight characteristics or signature management..."
As to the last paragraph, count me in if you need me. Maybe I can learn some new formulations from the aliens.
But let's stop the conspiracy theories and the Paranormal fluff. Conspiracy theories and Paranormal fluff only serve to confuse and cloud the issue.
MolaKule
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" 2. Area 51
Real. The biggest confusion with Area 51 is that it has nothing to do with Roswell, NM or the alleged 1947 saucer crash. They're in different states, and Area 51 hadn't even been built yet; so there wasn't much reason for any dead aliens to have been brought there. It was built in the 1950s, mainly to develop the super-secret A-12 and SR-71 reconaissance planes. Nobody actually calls it Area 51, it's usually informally called The Ranch and formally the National Classified Test Facility. Contrary to popular rumors, the military doesn't now, or in the past, deny its existence. That big word "classified" in its name simply means they don't discuss what happens there.Much of its history has since been declassified, and nothing has really surprised anyone who works in aviation journalism. Most secret American aircraft that were classified before they became publicly known, such as the A-12, SR-71, F-117, and TACIT BLUE have been tested and developed there. That's why it's out in the middle of nowhere, safely hidden behind off-limits mountains.
A Google Earth study of Area 51 shows that activity has dropped off a lot there in recent years, probably because all the attention and budgets are shifting toward uncrewed craft.
But if the aliens weren't taken to Area 51, maybe they were taken to this alleged underground facility in New Mexico, home to gray aliens and reptilian beings:
3. Dulce Base
Fictional. Despite its having been featured in a number of television shows, comic books, and novels, there is no evidence that any underground "base" of any kind exists inside Archuleta Mesa, about 5 km north of the city of Dulce, NM. It's frequently referenced on UFO websites and conspiracy websites, and usually described as a joint operation between aliens and the US military. The story began when a local UFO enthusiast, Paul Bennewitz, believed he was receiving radio transmissions from underneath the mesa in the 1970s. Within a few years, another UFO fan, Phil Schneider, claimed to have been an employee there, and has given detailed descriptions of its 7-level underground structure, its population of 18,000 aliens, and descriptions of the terrible experiments they perform on human subjects. It also supposedly has an underground train connection to Los Alamos National Laboratory, 130 kilometers away.
It's trivial to study Google Earth images of Archuleta Mesa and see that there's nothing there at all, certainly nothing like Schneider's elaborate descriptions that include surface buildings and radar installations. And that no subway exists between there and Los Alamos. It also seems a little suspicious that Phil Schneider would be freely allowed to go around talking about his supposedly top-secret job. For a great discussion of All Things Dulce, see the Skeptoid blog article on the website...
Some say that the United States maintains an underwater Area 51 in the Bahamas. "
https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4391
Im not the ancient aliens guy.
We have been given data (for decades actually) - we just dont beleive it.
Recently data was leaked from the nimitz incident. The held view is our sensors and pilots were all fooled simultaneously.
As to witness accounts, we either believe them or we don't. This place doesn't believe any of the witnesses.
Does believing the government report make me a conspiracy theorist or not? Do you beleive it?
I'm eager to learn more. We'll see what we actually get as this unfolds. I would absolutely love to see all the guys I like weigh in on the data we get and have to look at.
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I have more time aloft than God himself. This matters, because the view from above is very different than from the ground. It is easy to identify other aircraft. I've never seen an alien spacecraft or anything unusual, ever. What I have seen is easily explained. From fiery meteors (bolide) to unknown stealth aircraft with obvious engines and flight controls, and plenty of wildlife. But not once in a lifetime of flying have I come across anything that matches the descriptions some people provide.
Much like other widely held claims about fictions beings that do not exist perhaps you are just not one of the chosen few to which these superior beings choose to reveal themselves?
I’m with you…nothing in my life has ever been even remotely unexplainable. People are F’in nuts…
Have been following UFO`s etc for more than 65 years now and the nagging question for me is where is the support system for all this. Is it alternate physics that occasionally breaks through to our realm.
MolaKule
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We have been presented with stories, films, and conjectures that have not been verified, which I why I said we're getting a lot of equivocal information.
Here is a definition of Equivocal: adjective, open to more than one interpretation; ambiguous; uncertain or of questionable nature.
As to witnesses, the DNI UAP report basically said:
"...The problem with determining the source of much of this phenomena is the lack of quality and reputation of eyewitness accounts, and sensors not designed for detecting UAPs..."
I would further add that hysteria, unfounded presuppositions, baseless inferences, and a desire for fame and riches, has added to the UFO/UAP flap.
As to the government report, it said nothing substantial; did you read it and study it in its entirety? It said we're studying it and we may need more money for specialists, which I hope they mean more real scientists such as physicists, astrophysicists, aerospace physicists, optics specialists, video analysts, RF and Radar scientists, aerodynamicists, Thermodynamicists, sensor specialists, etc . Hey I could always use a few extra bucks!
What we don't need are a bunch of unscientific ancient alien (and astronaut) theorists.
BTW, I do watch the Ancient Aliens series because it is more hilarious than watching the Comedy Club.
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Throw in a few people who know how to look for tricks. Some scientists are easily fooled like the guy who believed in crop circles.
https://www.amazon.com/Miracle-Mongers-Their-Methods-Swallowers/dp/1565435761
What about bigfoot specialists?
Thank you for taking the time to read the report and post. I would never say we have nothing more to learn and while there are things we don't know there is A LOT we do know. The idea that there's a whole new "type of physics" out there that we have no idea exists but can be harnessed and used under "normal" conditions (i.e. not strange matter that only exists at incredible pressures and temperatures in a neutron star) is just inconsistent with reality and I just didn't have it in me to trudge my way through something I know is a big nothing burger. The more I have learned about how the universe works the less mysterious it has become but at the same time the more beautiful it's become.
Thanks again.
A lot of people have cut open many oil filters and have never found one with torn media ... yet many other people have, and posted photos on this chatboard. There were a few members that thought all the guys posting torn oil filters were "faking it for 15 minutes of fame", until they finally found a torn oil filter themselves and saw it with their own eyes. This is typically how human beings behave. Don't believe anything until they see it with their own eyes.
"Reality" to mankind is only what mankind knows ... and I highly doubt he is anywhere near knowing everything at this point in his evolution of knowlege.
This misses a key point…our ”reality” is based on current knowledge and since it’s all we know it’s all we have to guide us about what is true and what is not. Everything else is conjecture and while conjecture may sometimes be shown to be true later, none of us goes through life making important decisions based on what we think something might be vs what we think something current is - even if what we think right now is ultimately shown to be incorrect later.
If someone said you have two choices - fly on a small plane dropped from a larger plane with a conventional engine vs a plane with a new type of engine that seems to break the laws of physics, few would choose from the later simply because we don’t know everything and it may work.
“Our reality” is what is most probable based on what we know. The reality of the universe is what is actually happening. I argue that these two ideas are coincident a whole lot more than they aren’t based on our scientific knowledge even though we don’t know everything.
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