Specialty Oil Brand

[Virtus_Probi]

Originally Posted By: SR5
Laugh ! .... All you probably need is a window decal and maybe a T-Shirt to wear to the local hot rod or car show. Then you can just have M1 or Castrol Edge in the sump. Last time I went to a car show they didn't request a UOA on entry.

I emailed Sinclair to see if they would post their merchandising to Australia, I wanted a Dino t-shirt for my son, but they didn't answer. I'll take that as a no.
https://www.sinclairoil.com/products

The other oil I would like to use is Royal Purple, simply because it is dyed purple, and that would be fun to pour in. A bit of a one off pleasure.

Anyway, I'll probably stick to my regular Castrol / Shell / Valvoline / Penrite brands. I'm using the Ferrari approved Shell Helix Ultra right now, not because of the Ferrari logo on the bottle, but because it's the least expensive MB 229.5 oil in Australia. That will do me (and the cool Ferrari logo is just an added bonus).


When I was a boy in the '70s, I had a jeans jacket with a giant "Hooker Headers" patch on the back...I saw that patch and thought it was just the grooviest, bought it and had mom iron it on for me. I was walking with friends once and a pack of nasty teenagers came the other way...one turned to look at my jacket and sneered, "Hey kid, do you even know what headers ARE??"
I honestly had never even thought of it...I had to fess up that I didn't, and the teens AND my friends all laughed at me. I think I punched all my "friends" in their arms later to get back at them.
Maybe I should have asked my dad about putting headers on one of our Comets or Mavericks???

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.


That statement doesn't really make sense. Al was the first to get a synthetic oil API approved. He was not the first to make a synthetic oil. Standard Oil, of which the biggest component is now reflected in XOM, was started in 1870.

You want to read a nice history of innovation, I'd suggest looking over this:

http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/company/about-us/history/overview

World's first fluid catalyst cracker, world's first commercial production of alkylate, the invention of butyl rubber, 3-D seismic technology....etc


Maybe re-read my post. I do not claim to have said anything you claim I said!


I quoted you directly.......... Perhaps you need to re-read what you wrote

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: rfitz69
Hello All,

I am looking for your opinions and recommendations for a good specialty type oil brand that is not considered one of the big oil brands (Castrol, Mobil, QS, Shell etc) that you would get at a big box store. I know this is very vague but I am looking for something along the lines of a Royal Purple type somewhat niche brand that would be used and recommended by the DIY auto enthusiast community. I have been looking at brands such as Motul, Amsoil and Redline as potential brands. I am not looking at a specific grade but more at the brand. I live in Canada and would appreciate your feedback.

Thanks in advance.


The brands you mentioned, RP, Motul, Amsoil, Redline are "niche" branded oils and your engine will never know the difference on which one you pick from the bunch or the bunch from huge companies that all carry the same API approval....

But, to answer your question, my vote would go to AMSOIL as they are the ONLY one to produce test results of their oils against others using industry standard tests. I know people knock those tests but bottom line is no one else does it, nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.

I dont use any of the above oils, just answering your question if I did and why.


Actually Mobil was ahead of Amsoil in synthetic oils. Here is the link. I started using M1 5-20 in 1978.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-the-...mobil-1-history

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.


That statement doesn't really make sense. Al was the first to get a synthetic oil API approved. He was not the first to make a synthetic oil. Standard Oil, of which the biggest component is now reflected in XOM, was started in 1870.

You want to read a nice history of innovation, I'd suggest looking over this:

http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/company/about-us/history/overview

World's first fluid catalyst cracker, world's first commercial production of alkylate, the invention of butyl rubber, 3-D seismic technology....etc


Maybe re-read my post. I do not claim to have said anything you claim I said!


I quoted you directly.......... Perhaps you need to re-read what you wrote

No you didnt. Maybe you should "quote" what you say that you quoted me directly on.

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: rfitz69
Hello All,

I am looking for your opinions and recommendations for a good specialty type oil brand that is not considered one of the big oil brands (Castrol, Mobil, QS, Shell etc) that you would get at a big box store. I know this is very vague but I am looking for something along the lines of a Royal Purple type somewhat niche brand that would be used and recommended by the DIY auto enthusiast community. I have been looking at brands such as Motul, Amsoil and Redline as potential brands. I am not looking at a specific grade but more at the brand. I live in Canada and would appreciate your feedback.

Thanks in advance.


The brands you mentioned, RP, Motul, Amsoil, Redline are "niche" branded oils and your engine will never know the difference on which one you pick from the bunch or the bunch from huge companies that all carry the same API approval....

But, to answer your question, my vote would go to AMSOIL as they are the ONLY one to produce test results of their oils against others using industry standard tests. I know people knock those tests but bottom line is no one else does it, nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.

I dont use any of the above oils, just answering your question if I did and why.


Actually Mobil was ahead of Amsoil in synthetic oils. Here is the link. I started using M1 5-20 in 1978.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-the-...mobil-1-history


I dont think he considers Mobile as a smallish, boutique type oil company.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy

No you didnt. Maybe you should "quote" what you say that you quoted me directly on.


Dude....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3978467/Re:_Specialty_Oil_Brand#Post3978467

Originally Posted By: alarmguy


The brands you mentioned, RP, Motul, Amsoil, Redline are "niche" branded oils and your engine will never know the difference on which one you pick from the bunch or the bunch from huge companies that all carry the same API approval....

But, to answer your question, my vote would go to AMSOIL as they are the ONLY one to produce test results of their oils against others using industry standard tests. I know people knock those tests but bottom line is no one else does it, nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.

I dont use any of the above oils, just answering your question if I did and why.

 

[AirgunSavant]

MPT 10K and 30K motor oil. All flavors.

Originally Posted By: rfitz69
Essentially I am looking for feedback about the lesser known, higher end niche oil brands that exist and your experiences with them, why/if you would choose them over a regular store brand.

Donald's reply about the Amsoil was very helpful.

Thanks

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy

No you didnt. Maybe you should "quote" what you say that you quoted me directly on.


Dude....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3978467/Re:_Specialty_Oil_Brand#Post3978467

Originally Posted By: alarmguy


The brands you mentioned, RP, Motul, Amsoil, Redline are "niche" branded oils and your engine will never know the difference on which one you pick from the bunch or the bunch from huge companies that all carry the same API approval....

But, to answer your question, my vote would go to AMSOIL as they are the ONLY one to produce test results of their oils against others using industry standard tests. I know people knock those tests but bottom line is no one else does it, nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.

I dont use any of the above oils, just answering your question if I did and why.

Where is the quote of what you said I said? You know what, stop ruining this guys thread. You took my words "true innovator" and turned it into something else. I didnt say true inventor and you didnt direct quote anything I said, or you would be able to show me your direct quote. Your taking my post, turning it around without quoting what you are talking about, bold type, underlined but no quote, know why? Because you didnt quote me on anything.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: tig1


Actually Mobil was ahead of Amsoil in synthetic oils. Here is the link. I started using M1 5-20 in 1978.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-the-...mobil-1-history


Yes, and the Germans were ahead of Mobil IIRC (WW2). Mobil, and others, were already making synthetic lubes for turbine use. From what I recall Tom NJ posting, Hatco was the source for the POE that AMSOIL blended their first API-approved blend from.

Al saw a potential market here, synthetic oils approved for use in automotive applications. They were already seeing use in race cars, but there was nothing available for hot rodders or the regular guys. That was the foundation for AMSOIL.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy

No you didnt. Maybe you should "quote" what you say that you quoted me directly on.


Dude....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3978467/Re:_Specialty_Oil_Brand#Post3978467

Originally Posted By: alarmguy


The brands you mentioned, RP, Motul, Amsoil, Redline are "niche" branded oils and your engine will never know the difference on which one you pick from the bunch or the bunch from huge companies that all carry the same API approval....

But, to answer your question, my vote would go to AMSOIL as they are the ONLY one to produce test results of their oils against others using industry standard tests. I know people knock those tests but bottom line is no one else does it, nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.

I dont use any of the above oils, just answering your question if I did and why.

Where is the quote of what you said I said?


In bold and underlined in the above guy.......

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy

No you didnt. Maybe you should "quote" what you say that you quoted me directly on.


Dude....

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/3978467/Re:_Specialty_Oil_Brand#Post3978467

Originally Posted By: alarmguy


The brands you mentioned, RP, Motul, Amsoil, Redline are "niche" branded oils and your engine will never know the difference on which one you pick from the bunch or the bunch from huge companies that all carry the same API approval....

But, to answer your question, my vote would go to AMSOIL as they are the ONLY one to produce test results of their oils against others using industry standard tests. I know people knock those tests but bottom line is no one else does it, nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.

I dont use any of the above oils, just answering your question if I did and why.

Where is the quote of what you said I said?


In bold and underlined in the above guy.......


IN bold and underlined ... yet no quote, interesting when someone says "direct quote" with no quote!

 

[HerrStig]

There's a Poseur born every minute.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Maybe re-read my post. I do not claim to have said anything you claim I said!

You called them the true innovator in the industry. Those are your words. So, Overkill showed that's not exactly true, and can barely be stated in a cherry picking sense. They don't make their own base stocks. They don't make their own additive packages. That doesn't strike me as terribly innovative. The only innovation they can possibly lay claim to is the extended drain.

And, don't get started about "testing." We have other threads covering this bunk.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy


IN bold and underlined ... yet no quote, interesting when someone says "direct quote" with no quote!


Are you having comprehension issues? It was a direct quote of what you said. I bolded it and underlined it for ease of identification as to the text I was referencing. I also provided a link to your post in this thread from which it was pulled. I'm not sure what's going on with you at the moment but perhaps you need to see a doctor? And I am not stating that to be mean, I'm genuinely concerned that you seem unable to associate with what you wrote only a few posts ago.

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: alarmguy


IN bold and underlined ... yet no quote, interesting when someone says "direct quote" with no quote!


Are you having comprehension issues? It was a direct quote of what you said. I bolded it and underlined it for ease of identification as to the text I was referencing. I also provided a link to your post in this thread from which it was pulled. I'm not sure what's going on with you at the moment but perhaps you need to see a doctor? And I am not stating that to be mean, I'm genuinely concerned that you seem unable to associate with what you wrote only a few posts ago.


Maybe in Canada there is a different meaning. I quote is " " of what the person said, so others can figure out what the heck you are talking about. You did not in any way quote me, you just changed your words to "referencing" the reason you did that is you on on the hook. You made it sound, imply that I was claiming Amsoil being something other then my words "innovator"

Here is the meaning of the word in the USA ... Innovate

Lets stop making believe, you did not "direct quote" me on anything, if you did, this conversation would not have taken place.

 

[kschachn]

How come the industry standard tests don't result in industry standard certifications?

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
All one needs is to prove its 180 degrees from reality, no one ever can, only heresy, marketing and meaningless words.
Question from the poster, out of smaller "boutique companies" which would you choose and why?

Answer, Amsoil, why? The ONLY one of the companies that back up their claims with test results which includes their competition. That is why.

I only wish to god, when people debate oil, real test data with a whole bunch of brands compared equally would be presented as proof but none ever is, just theory and marketing. Again, at least Amsoil runs tests of their oil WITH THEIR COMPETITION and publishes the results. THE ONLY company to do this.

 

[Torrid]

Originally Posted By: pbm
Torco.


www.torcousa.com


I really like their RGO gear oil. It's a big deal in the GOT community. I've never thought to try their motor oils though.

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Maybe re-read my post. I do not claim to have said anything you claim I said!

You called them the true innovator in the industry. Those are your words. So, Overkill showed that's not exactly true, and can barely be stated in a cherry picking sense. They don't make their own base stocks. They don't make their own additive packages. That doesn't strike me as terribly innovative. The only innovation they can possibly lay claim to is the extended drain.

And, don't get started about "testing." We have other threads covering this bunk.


Not sure of your point other then you do not agree with me calling Amsoil an innovator, that is fine, you are entitled to your thoughts.
My thoughts are to the OP and just as valid. I can see at least you know the meaning of the word and you did not claim to quote something I did not say.

To this day, no matter how much you want to bash a company, Amsoil is the only one who pits its oils against other companies and publishes the results. That might be considered pretty darn innovated since no one on planet earth has published as much materials of their oils against other oils from other companies. Like it or not, Amsoil is the ONLY one that does.
Oil is all marketing and opinion from forums like this.

Real tests are hard facts, whether those facts matter or not is subject to debate but its the only company that publishes extensive tests of their products and their competitors.

 

[alarmguy]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: rfitz69
Hello All,

I am looking for your opinions and recommendations for a good specialty type oil brand that is not considered one of the big oil brands (Castrol, Mobil, QS, Shell etc) that you would get at a big box store. I know this is very vague but I am looking for something along the lines of a Royal Purple type somewhat niche brand that would be used and recommended by the DIY auto enthusiast community. I have been looking at brands such as Motul, Amsoil and Redline as potential brands. I am not looking at a specific grade but more at the brand. I live in Canada and would appreciate your feedback.

Thanks in advance.


The brands you mentioned, RP, Motul, Amsoil, Redline are "niche" branded oils and your engine will never know the difference on which one you pick from the bunch or the bunch from huge companies that all carry the same API approval....

But, to answer your question, my vote would go to AMSOIL as they are the ONLY one to produce test results of their oils against others using industry standard tests. I know people knock those tests but bottom line is no one else does it, nor can because they cant beat Amsoil, the true innovator in the industry, started in 1974 and a small tiny company compared to someone like Motul.

I dont use any of the above oils, just answering your question if I did and why.


Actually Mobil was ahead of Amsoil in synthetic oils. Here is the link. I started using M1 5-20 in 1978.

https://mobiloil.com/en/article/why-the-...mobil-1-history


I never made any claims, ahead, behind, etc.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: alarmguy

Maybe in Canada there is a different meaning.


Nope. See how I just isolated your text above? That's called quoting. Instead of putting it in quotation marks, it isolates your words and puts your name with it, this is called a quote. In fact the tag for doing it uses the word quote. It has nothing to do with me being Canadian but knowing how to use the quote function on the message board, apparently you don't know how?

You'll also notice when you reply to my post, you hit a button called "Quote", which does not put what you said in parentheses but rather quotes it using the same tags I've used here for ease of identification of what the other person has written.

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
I quote is " " of what the person said, so others can figure out what the heck you are talking about.


Actually, using the method I've employed, and which you just employed to quote me is far more effective to differentiate who said what.

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
You did not in any way quote me,


I directly quoted you word for word. You and anybody else are more than welcome to go back and read the post, which I've even provided a link to, to read exactly what you've written.

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
you just changed your words to "referencing" the reason you did that is you on on the hook. You made it sound, imply that I was claiming Amsoil being something other then my words "innovator"


No words were changed. And I am taking issue with exactly what you've stated, which was that they are the industry innovator which, if you look at the history of most of the big names, is pretty far removed from the truth. That's why I reference the history of ExxonMobil, which shows a very decorated history of true innovation and pioneering.

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Here is the meaning of the word in the USA ... Innovate


I'm well aware of the meaning of the word and I'm obviously not the one suffering from cognitive issues in this thread.

Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Lets stop making believe, you did not "direct quote" me on anything, if you did, this conversation would not have taken place.


This conversation took place because you seem unable to associate yourself with the words you've written and which I've quoted. No need for make believe, anybody can go back in the thread and see what you've written, it isn't difficult.