Special kind of jerk.

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ The cyclist may be "just as guilty" in some people's minds here, but he's not sitting in jail with vehicular assault charges against him. His girlfriend has probably been riding with him for some time and knows how he rides, so I can't go down the road that she was on the back with no idea what a ride could be like.

If you go back to the original post in this thread and follow the links inside the link there, the rider posted that he wasn't speeding when he passed the guy because they were going well below the speed limit before the pass. And depending on the state, it's not illegal to break the speed limit to pass if the speed is reasonable and appropriate to do so.

I see people breaking traffic laws every minute of the day I'd driving, so it's just something you have to bear with and just hope some idiot doesn't take you out somehow. Trying to "stop" everyone I see breaking traffic laws would be a full time job - and isn't the job of a citizen. However, calling 911 and reporting major traffic violations is about all anyone should do, and stay out of their "hero" costume.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
It almost looks like the motorcycle douche and the old man thought the were going to play cat and mouse or something,or king of the hill ("How dare you pass me!!,car guy,"How dare you slow me down!!",motorcycle guy). They're both total dumb [censored].


The old man was MUCH more stupid ... he's the one that actually caused the accident, and is the one who is mostly to blame here. That's why he's being charged and in jail.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
... he got what he deserved imo.


Wow, really ... you think someone trying to run him off the road and potentially killing him and his girlfriend was justifiable because he broke a minor traffic law? It just shows your obvious hatred for motorcyclists, as does your other comments.

And BTW, if the cyclist was speeding or driving recklessly don't you think the police would have also charged him with that instead of just charging him with an illegal pass? The video was obviously reviewed by many in law enforcement looking a this case, and it's not hard for them to calculate what speed everyone was traveling in the video.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
... he got what he deserved imo.


Wow, really ... you think someone trying to run him off the road and potentially killing him and his girlfriend was justifiable because he broke a minor traffic law? It just shows your obvious hatred for motorcyclists, as does your other comments.

And BTW, if the cyclist was speeding or driving recklessly don't you think the police would have also charged him with that instead of just charging him with an illegal pass? The video was obviously reviewed by many in law enforcement looking a this case, and it's not hard for them to calculate what speed everyone was traveling in the video.


What I'm trying to say is that as grown adults,we choose our destinies based on the decisions we make. I can try to beat a train across a railroad crossing,and if I get killed,it was all in my hands because of the dumb decision I made,or,I can wait for it to pass by and the proceed over the tracks and be a couple minutes later to my destination. The motorcyclist should've either obeyed the law and maintained a single file line per double yellow line,not been butt-hurt because an old man was "making him drive the speed limit",or just simply have been patient and waited for a legal and appropriate time to pass.

There's just no excuse for asinine behavior from a grown adult,be it either a daredevil motorcycle rider,or an angry old man. Like I said,both are dumb [censored],just in different ways. I still stick to my guns,if you're going to put yourself in harm's way,be prepared to face the possible bad outcome.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
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The old man was MUCH more stupid ... he's the one that actually caused the accident, and is the one who is mostly to blame here. That's why he's being charged and in jail.


Nope the guy without a license to operate the bike is the biggest douche of all because his actions placed that innocent passenger in harms way and caused her SERIOUS injuries, not the idiot in the car. You prove that bikers deserve the reputation they get for being the biggest douche bags on the road because they will never own up to the fact that their fellow bikers do stupid, dangerous, and criminal things all the time, and put innocent lives in danger.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ I agree with the basic undertone of your post that you should try to not put yourself into potentially dangerous situations. BUT, the old man put the cyclist in a MUCH more dangerous situation and into true harms way by PURPOSELY serving into his lane. The pass the cyclist was attempting to make was about a 4 out of 10 on the danger scale. You should know that if you've actually ridden motorcycles.

He even said in one of the videos in some of these links that he knew it was a double yellow zone, so I'm sure he thought he was being a hero by trying to take the law into his own hands.
The old man was obviously upset over someone passing him. You think he would have done the same thing to a car passing him there ... or is he also a motorcyclist hater? Nice backfire there Wile E. Coyote.

Like I said, some people need to take off the "super hero" costume while on the road and just let some of that stuff go. I see illegal driving tactics non-stop, but I don't try to be an idiot and try to stop anyone. People doing that can actually get shot at for showing aggression and road rage on another driver around where I live (large populated area) - happens quite often actually.

The only thing the guy on the cycle deserves are the tickets he got ... and NOT some crazy road raging maniac trying to kill him. The old man hopefully will be getting everything that he deserves ... jail time and a lot more I hope (felony record, lawsuits, etc). If he's convicted as a felon, he'll have to give up his guns if he owns any. I bet he changed his mind and does care now.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: GiveMeAVowel
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
The old man was MUCH more stupid ... he's the one that actually caused the accident, and is the one who is mostly to blame here. That's why he's being charged and in jail.


Nope the guy without a license to operate the bike is the biggest douche of all because his actions placed that innocent passenger in harms way and caused her SERIOUS injuries, not the idiot in the car. You prove that bikers deserve the reputation they get for being the biggest douche bags on the road because they will never own up to the fact that their fellow bikers do stupid, dangerous, and criminal things all the time, and put innocent lives in danger.


Wow ... another one, really? So if the guy had a valid motorcycle license it he wouldn't be a douche? LoL

No, the old man is ultimately responsible for the crash - and he's the one that put both of them in harms way. He's the one being charges with vehicular assault for a reason. Motorcyclist isn't being charged for anything except passing on a double yellow and no valid cycle endorsement. Whoop, big deal. Old man is in serious do-do ... for obvious reasons.

Maybe someday some idiot like that old man will mess you or someone you know up when you least expect it, and them maybe, just maybe you might have a better view of reality in a situation like this.

The old man IS responsible for the crash ... wait and see how he's charged and pays for his crime. You guys keep using the nonsensical strawman argument that the cyclist "put everyone in danger" ... that's a complete joke.

 

[02SE]

I'm just amazed to know that there are a handful of people on this board, that think the attempted homicide of two people (by an apparently self-appointed judge, jury, and executioner), is a justifiable response to a minor traffic violation.

 

[Brybo86]

now just imagine if the motorcycle rider had been Black!

instant HATE CRIME!

because the reason the old man hit him was not road rage but his hate for the mans skin color that he saw in his sidemirror...

 

[SatinSilver]

Yep, those bikers do get on my nerves a bit. Like I said earlier I'd rather have them go around me. What that old coot did was inexcusable. Hopefully, he gets more than a slap on the wrist. Knowing what a low down yellow belly he is, I'm surprised he had the decency to stop afterwards. I'm guessing he has mental issues.

edit: "You sir are an idiot", is what I'd tell him.

 

[pottymouth]

Originally Posted By: SatinSilver
Yep, those bikers do get on my nerves a bit. Like I said earlier I'd rather have them go around me. What that old coot did was inexcusable. Hopefully, he gets more than a slap on the wrist. Knowing what a low down yellow belly he is, I'm surprised he had the decency to stop afterwards. I'm guessing he has mental issues.

edit: "You sir are an idiot", is what I'd tell him.


I think he stopped because he was shocked and scared. I don't think he meant to hit the bike, just to block him and maybe scare the rider. Probably just misjudged the distances and underestimated the bike's ability to accelerate. If he meant to wreck the guy I would expect him to make a hasty getaway.

This is the kind of thing that happens when people let their emotions overrule common sense. Lives are now irrevocably changed because of a momentary angry outburst. So painfully stupid...

Reminds me of a story from NY years ago about a guy who was so angry about kids drag racing near his house that he poured oil on the street, resulting in a fatal wreck. I think he was acquitted in the end, but I'll never forget the ignorant comments I heard about how the kid deserved to die and it was his own fault for racing in the first place (never proven that he was racing.) Some things never change.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: 02SE
I'm just amazed to know that there are a handful of people on this board, that think the attempted homicide of two people (by an apparently self-appointed judge, jury, and executioner), is a justifiable response to a minor traffic violation.



Poor reading comprehension by you. No one is defending the driver of the vehicle. We are saying the bike driver was wrong as well. There is a big difference between saying both were wrong and saying the vehicle driver was justified. You have missed this entirely.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: 02SE
I'm just amazed to know that there are a handful of people on this board, that think the attempted homicide of two people (by an apparently self-appointed judge, jury, and executioner), is a justifiable response to a minor traffic violation.



Poor reading comprehension by you. No one is defending the driver of the vehicle. We are saying the bike driver was wrong as well. There is a big difference between saying both were wrong and saying the vehicle driver was justified. You have missed this entirely.


02SE cannot ever find fault in a motorcycle rider's actions. Motorcyclists are always right in his posts. He will take what you say about motorcycles, and misrepresent and twist it so that you're wrong and the rider is right.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
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Yeah, maybe it would have helped if he had more room to make a defensive move, and would have been hard to do riding double


Are you kidding? It made all the difference in the world. If this butt clown has been eighteen inches farther left, he wound not have been at the mercy of the psycho who clearly has no love for motorcyclists, and would not have rear ended the old goat. And the rear ending is why it's aggravated assualt, btw, and not battery.

Maybe the rider was unkilled. He certainly does not look to be the sharpest tool in the shed. Or maybe he is an antisocial motorcycle rider that thinks it is good fun to force unsuspecting people to hear an engine would up in their ear a couple of feet away, when they least expect it - like in a no passing zone. Do you deny the latter exist?

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
He was in his lane after all (in the inside tire track of the road) - the road rager was not in his lane obviously.


Uh, they were both in the lane designated for oncoming traffic.

The jerk with bigger vehicle won. As usual.

 

[Win]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I don't know if the car driver did it on purpose, he doesn't seem to admit it on video and saying "I don't care" does not put the blame on him.


Anyone in their right mind would have reacted much differently (shocked and apologetic, which he wasn't) if they really didn't do it on purpose. Pretty basic psychology 101.


The same thing could be said about the motorcyclist(s) - a normal human reaction would be to check on the welfare of the passenger laying in the grass, crying out for help. Pretty basic psychology 101. The person who played a large part of that condition chose to just jump around and ask about a license plate.

Motorcyclist #2 does at least ask the injured woman if she is okay, but does nothing to ascertain if she is or not, then proceeds to confront the old psycho and level a false accusation at him - "you hit them" or words to that effect. Which is a good example of why eye witness testimony is so unreliable - what he thought he saw - didn't happen.

I suspect all were in shock.

A needless tragedy.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: 02SE
I'm just amazed to know that there are a handful of people on this board, that think the attempted homicide of two people (by an apparently self-appointed judge, jury, and executioner), is a justifiable response to a minor traffic violation.



Poor reading comprehension by you. No one is defending the driver of the vehicle. We are saying the bike driver was wrong as well. There is a big difference between saying both were wrong and saying the vehicle driver was justified. You have missed this entirely.


02SE cannot ever find fault in a motorcycle rider's actions. Motorcyclists are always right in his posts. He will take what you say about motorcycles, and misrepresent and twist it so that you're wrong and the rider is right.


Really?

I acknowledged in my first post on this subject, that the rider crossed the double yellow lines. Which I also acknowledged was illegal.

Making an illegal pass, does not justify some old delusional fool intentionally using his car as a weapon, and hitting them with his car.

When that gang of riders in New York harassed and then beat a Range Rover driver, while his family was in the car. I was firmly on the side of the terrorized Range Rover driver.

You usually have well thought out, and level headed replies.

In this case your assertion about me in as it pertains to Motorcyclists, is simply wrong. In the future, you might pay more attention if you're so concerned about my comments, before you make baseless, defamatory accusations.

 

[GiveMeAVowel]

Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I don't know if the car driver did it on purpose, he doesn't seem to admit it on video and saying "I don't care" does not put the blame on him.


Anyone in their right mind would have reacted much differently (shocked and apologetic, which he wasn't) if they really didn't do it on purpose. Pretty basic psychology 101.


The same thing could be said about the motorcyclist(s) - a normal human reaction would be to check on the welfare of the passenger laying in the grass, crying out for help. Pretty basic psychology 101. The person who played a large part of that condition chose to just jump around and ask about a license plate.

Motorcyclist #2 does at least ask the injured woman if she is okay, but does nothing to ascertain if she is or not, then proceeds to confront the old psycho and level a false accusation at him - "you hit them" or words to that effect. Which is a good example of why eye witness testimony is so unreliable - what he thought he saw - didn't happen.

I suspect all were in shock.

A needless tragedy.


Yes something is very ODD about the way the bikers addressed their potentially seriously injured passenger lying on the shoulder of the road.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
....

Yeah, maybe it would have helped if he had more room to make a defensive move, and would have been hard to do riding double


Are you kidding? It made all the difference in the world. If this butt clown has been eighteen inches farther left, he wound not have been at the mercy of the psycho who clearly has no love for motorcyclists, and would not have rear ended the old goat. And the rear ending is why it's aggravated assualt, btw, and not battery.

Maybe the rider was unkilled. He certainly does not look to be the sharpest tool in the shed. Or maybe he is an antisocial motorcycle rider that thinks it is good fun to force unsuspecting people to hear an engine would up in their ear a couple of feet away, when they least expect it - like in a no passing zone. Do you deny the latter exist?

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
He was in his lane after all (in the inside tire track of the road) - the road rager was not in his lane obviously.


Uh, they were both in the lane designated for oncoming traffic.

The jerk with bigger vehicle won. As usual.


You're just basically repeating what I've said, but in a much more negative manner. How many years of motorcycle riding on the streets do you have?

You have lots of "maybes" in you posts. The fact is, the old man served into the path of the motorcycle and caused a crash. He's in jail and will be charged with a crime. End of story.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Win
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I don't know if the car driver did it on purpose, he doesn't seem to admit it on video and saying "I don't care" does not put the blame on him.


Anyone in their right mind would have reacted much differently (shocked and apologetic, which he wasn't) if they really didn't do it on purpose. Pretty basic psychology 101.


The same thing could be said about the motorcyclist(s) - a normal human reaction would be to check on the welfare of the passenger laying in the grass, crying out for help. Pretty basic psychology 101. The person who played a large part of that condition chose to just jump around and ask about a license plate.

I suspect all were in shock.

A needless tragedy.


The cycle rider was obviously in shock, and his main concern right after the crash was he wanted to make sure the car responsible didn't get away (at least wanted the license plate number). He might have thought the guy was going to take off and wanted the other rider to get the plate number. I'm sure once that was accomplished he was checking on his girl friend.

The first thing the old man says when he gets out of the car is "why are they passing in a no passing zone?" and eluded that he didn't care they crashed - he even said similar in videos after it all happened (still peeved about the pass I guess). Tells me right there his swerve into their lane was entirely on purpose because he was mad they tried to pass.

He caused the wreck, he's gonna be charged, he's gonna pay.