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There are several options:
Motul X-Cess 5W40 is Porsche approved and far better than Mobil 1 0W40 in your engine (5,000 MI OCI)
Motul 300V, excellent in every aspect, hard to beat
Joe Gibbs DT40 highly recommended by LN and Flat6
Millers CFS 5W40 NT With nano technology promoted by Hartech in UK (and they really know their stuff)
Stay away from M1 although it improved lately (after many "adjustments")
Your best bet is to follow porsche specific forums for more accurate info.
Cheers
L
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
You don't hear about many Porsche engines having oil related engine issues so I would use Mobil 1 without hesitation.

Seriously?
Call Baz Hart at Hartech for more info. Not far from where you live.
 
Originally Posted By: NewC6
The second question is should I use a mid SAPS or a full SAPS oil. They both seem to have the Porsche A40 approval, I know the full SAPS has more additive but do the Porsche engines need that?
Thanks

It is the NA gasolines that require full SAPS. Read what Motul has to say about LL-04 versus LL-01. Just open Motul X-Cess spec sheet as a starting point. A40 tests are done in Germany. Their gasolines are far cleaner (sulfur) and higher octane than ours. It's a brand new car and it's yours. Be smart.
Cheers,
L
 
M1 is a great oil as well recently some Castrol Spt 0w40 Euro Forumla has been surfing up and Im running in my Bmw and in my brother's Bentley Continental GT. it meet's the specs For Porsche it is very thin 40w alittle thinner the Mobil 0w40
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter
There are several options:
Motul X-Cess 5W40 is Porsche approved and far better than Mobil 1 0W40 in your engine (5,000 MI OCI)
Motul 300V, excellent in every aspect, hard to beat
Joe Gibbs DT40 highly recommended by LN and Flat6
Millers CFS 5W40 NT With nano technology promoted by Hartech in UK (and they really know their stuff)
Stay away from M1 although it improved lately (after many "adjustments")
Your best bet is to follow porsche specific forums for more accurate info.
Cheers
L
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: NewC6
The second question is should I use a mid SAPS or a full SAPS oil. They both seem to have the Porsche A40 approval, I know the full SAPS has more additive but do the Porsche engines need that?
Thanks

It is the NA gasolines that require full SAPS. Read what Motul has to say about LL-04 versus LL-01. Just open Motul X-Cess spec sheet as a starting point. A40 tests are done in Germany. Their gasolines are far cleaner (sulfur) and higher octane than ours. It's a brand new car and it's yours. Be smart.
Cheers,
L



Wow. Doug Hillary who actually knows teams and drivers and has pit clearance says use M1 but your saying not to.
We here at bitog love facts and data and comments like these will need facts and data.
Please if you can inform us of whatever info you have that we obviously don't.
I'm not being a jerk here. In fact I'm not a fan of Mobil whatsoever so I'd love to know why it isn't a good option for his Porsche
 
Hi,
Luxter - You said this:

"Stay away from M1 although it improved lately (after many "adjustments")"

You also indicated engine failures (lubricant related?)

Please produce some evidence of a Porsche Approved lubricant that has caused a Porsche engine failure! Or even a Factory TSB that has sidelined an Approved lubricant - and especially M1 0w-40 - that would probably do......

M1 0w-40 has been a FF at Zuffenhausen for over a deacde or so - do you think their Engineers may know a little more that those people that promote their (own) lubricants via Forums??

I've seen it all before...................
 
Are you visually impaired?
Read my previous posts.
I Know a lot of people and have access to various pits too, come on.......
Did you get any facts from Doug too????
Please do us all a favour and present them all now.......
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Luxter - You said this:

"Stay away from M1 although it improved lately (after many "adjustments")"

You also indicated engine failures (lubricant related?)

Please produce some evidence of a Porsche Approved lubricant that has caused a Porsche engine failure! Or even a Factory TSB that has sidelined an Approved lubricant - and especially M1 0w-40 - that would probably do......

M1 0w-40 has been a FF at Zuffenhausen for over a deacde or so - do you think their Engineers may know a little more that those people that promote their (own) lubricants via Forums??

I've seen it all before...................

Hello Doug,
Glad you contributed to this thread too.
Have you actually read Hartech guide 5 at all? Guess not, given your quick reply. It is about 72 page long.....
In any case, let's deal with your concerns one at the time:
1. Please read Hartech guide 4 & 5 before you bother posting your replays. Really, seriously....
2. Would you seriously expect porsche to admit that they F&#%ed up? Seriously? In a TBN?????
Hey guys, we really screwed up with a few things...... Ha, ha....
3. Most dealerships have no idea how to rebuild the engines. Ever wondered why? Engines get shipped to Z for rebuild. The indies deal with what's outside of warranty. Have you ever taken one of them apart? Please answer!!!!
I've come to this forum a few years ago to realize that I would not get the answers I was looking for.
Please stop doing disservice to others who come to learn and benefit from hearing others' opinions.
I sincerely wish that your, Doug Hillary's posts were more informative.
Please stop your anecdotes about the ring and give us more facts. PLEASE.
I haven't seen it in at least last 2 years.
And I am tired of it.
Regards,
Luke
 
Sorry for being a bit chaotic.
Can we have current Porsche owners only to reply to this thread?
That's going to be fun......
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Luxter - Where are your facts?

If none then no more from me!

and where are your facts Doug?
Likewise.....
So long.....
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Sorry for being a bit chaotic.
Can we have current Porsche owners only to reply to this thread?
That's going to be fun......


Chaotic? There are a few other choice words that I think would aptly describe your behaviour here.....
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Sorry for being a bit chaotic.
Can we have current Porsche owners only to reply to this thread?
That's going to be fun......


Chaotic? There are a few other choice words that I think would aptly describe your behaviour here.....

Hi overkill,
My haircut is less than perfect too.....
At least at at the moment.
It easily can be used against me!
 
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Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Sorry for being a bit chaotic.
Can we have current Porsche owners only to reply to this thread?
That's going to be fun......


Chaotic? There are a few other choice words that I think would aptly describe your behaviour here.....

Hi overkill,
My haircut is less than perfect too.....


You are essentially pitting a (big) shop against an OEM here. Porsche vs Hartech is no different than Ford vs Roush. They all have an agenda to push and from the quick reading I've done through the papers you've mentioned, I see repeated mentions of "existing in small number of.... *insert engine here*" which, while potentially identifying small manufacturing defects that could exist in any mass produced item, certainly don't point a finger at a specific lubricant as the source of failure.
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Sorry for being a bit chaotic.
Can we have current Porsche owners only to reply to this thread?
That's going to be fun......


Chaotic? There are a few other choice words that I think would aptly describe your behaviour here.....

Hi overkill,
My haircut is less than perfect too.....
At least at at the moment.
It easily can be used against me!

Seriously,
Porsche owners moved away form BITOG.
Have you people ever wondered why????
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Sorry for being a bit chaotic.
Can we have current Porsche owners only to reply to this thread?
That's going to be fun......


Chaotic? There are a few other choice words that I think would aptly describe your behaviour here.....

Hi overkill,
My haircut is less than perfect too.....


You are essentially pitting a (big) shop against an OEM here. Porsche vs Hartech is no different than Ford vs Roush. They all have an agenda to push and from the quick reading I've done through the papers you've mentioned, I see repeated mentions of "existing in small number of.... *insert engine here*" which, while potentially identifying small manufacturing defects that could exist in any mass produced item, certainly don't point a finger at a specific lubricant as the source of failure.

For one: you don't even have a dog in this race
Two: forward this note to Hartech.org
Dude, I'm not against you. Read the stuff: guides 4 & 5.
Cheers,
Luke
 
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Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Sorry for being a bit chaotic.
Can we have current Porsche owners only to reply to this thread?
That's going to be fun......


Chaotic? There are a few other choice words that I think would aptly describe your behaviour here.....

Hi overkill,
My haircut is less than perfect too.....
At least at at the moment.
It easily can be used against me!

Seriously,
Porsche owners moved away form BITOG.
Have you people ever wondered why????


No, but I'll counter your obtuse and rather vague statement with one of my own:

BMW S62 engines were known (in some capacity) for rod bearing failures. This didn't affect all of the engines, but enough were affected that we have guys on the M5 forums doing "preventative" rod bearing replacements.

And these failures happen even if the guys are running the "Cats [censored]" TSW 10w-60, which is supposed to cure cancer and potentially infuse you with so much virility that you'll have super models knocking your door down to run your jimmy!

Oil, quite frankly, is boring, if you've got an engine that may be plagued with a potential fatal flaw and you want to do everything in your power to prevent said flaw, including replacing those components early at extreme expense! Insanity knows no bounds. And masquerading a mechanical defect as a lubricant failure is certainly nothing new either.
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter

For one: you don't even have a dog in this race
Two: forward this note to Hartech.org
Cheers,
Luke


No Luke, I have a BMW, who, as a brand, prefers varnish-happy Castrol lubricants, LOL!!!
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter

For one: you don't even have a dog in this race
Two: forward this note to Hartech.org
Cheers,
Luke


No Luke, I have a BMW, who, as a brand, prefers varnish-happy Castrol lubricants, LOL!!!

Hi overkill,
The bottom line is that some things are not perfect and oil can or can't help. At least a bit.
Cheers,
Luke
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter

For one: you don't even have a dog in this race
Two: forward this note to Hartech.org
Cheers,
Luke


No Luke, I have a BMW, who, as a brand, prefers varnish-happy Castrol lubricants, LOL!!!

Hi overkill,
The bottom line is that some things are not perfect and oil can or can't help. At least a bit.
Cheers,
Luke


Certainly Luke. But when balancing a team of engineers against a team of guys rebuilding the engines those engineers designed, I think it is wise to evaluate both sides of the equation, don't you?

Porsche has, after all, approval lists and evaluation processes for a reason. And while those things may not be perfect, they are certainly better than just tossing something together and hoping for the best, right?

It isn't uncommon for the aftermarket to identify failings in something designed by an OEM. Ford ball joints and tie rod ends are a prime (and far more simplistic) example, where a company like Moog, came up with an improved design that didn't have anywhere near the failure rate as the OEM version. BMW, has, in my experienced, "revised" numerous parts for their cars after production because they realized that they f'd something up and when you got the replacement part, it "fixed" the issue. This isn't as easy with an engine though is it?

What I take away from this is that Hartech has identified certain failings with Porsche engines that, in SOME, LIMITED instances, manifest themselves in certain engines. I don't however think that this points a finger at their lubricant approval process as being inadequate. But that's just my non-porsche-owner's 2-cents worth
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