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Dear overkill,
It is not quite as simple as you portray it be.
Hartech recommends what even shocks me for the porsche cars and I am quite conservative.
After all I am an engineer too.
They do it for a reason.
I don't question that.
Barry Hart knows A LOT MORE about engines that I do. A LOT MORE.
Yet there are forums that "know more" than him.
Porsche is quite unique without taking away from BMW.
Let's just respect the facts without going into "he said, she said" [censored].
I respect your opinion, please give me some elbow room.
Those people know [censored]. They do. I believe it.
Have a good nite!
Luke
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Dear overkill,
It is not quite as simple as you portray it be.
Hartech recommends what even shocks me for the porsche cars and I am quite conservative.
After all I am an engineer too.
They do it for a reason.
I don't question that.
Barry Hart knows A LOT MORE about engines that I do. A LOT MORE.
Yet there are forums that "know more" than him.
Porsche is quite unique without taking away from BMW.
Let's just respect the facts without going into "he said, she said" [censored].
I respect your opinion, please give me some elbow room.
Those people know [censored]. They do. I believe it.
Have a good nite!
Luke


Luke:

I'm not in disagreement. Roush knows their stuff too, and do you think they agree with Ford? That's the point I was trying to make. It would be nice if it was black and white, but it isn't.

Elbow room is given. But these are the kinds of things that should be talked about at length, not simply hinted at from both sides like has been done. I have a great deal of respect for all parties involved. Having known an engine builder, I've seen things that make you question what the heck the OEM was thinking.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Dear overkill,
It is not quite as simple as you portray it be.
Hartech recommends what even shocks me for the porsche cars and I am quite conservative.
After all I am an engineer too.
They do it for a reason.
I don't question that.
Barry Hart knows A LOT MORE about engines that I do. A LOT MORE.
Yet there are forums that "know more" than him.
Porsche is quite unique without taking away from BMW.
Let's just respect the facts without going into "he said, she said" [censored].
I respect your opinion, please give me some elbow room.
Those people know [censored]. They do. I believe it.
Have a good nite!
Luke


Luke:

I'm not in disagreement. Roush knows their stuff too, and do you think they agree with Ford? That's the point I was trying to make. It would be nice if it was black and white, but it isn't.

Elbow room is given. But these are the kinds of things that should be talked about at length, not simply hinted at from both sides like has been done. I have a great deal of respect for all parties involved. Having known an engine builder, I've seen things that make you question what the heck the OEM was thinking.

Overkill, I know where you are coming from.
Hinted is not the best description.
Look at the OP:
Poor [censored] came here with brand new Boxster.
He wants to know what to believe. I was there before.
He gets [censored] of response: hey M1 is the king of the hill, hey it's not quite like that. Agree?
There are the alternatives. All I say is that don't believe e everything your eyes see. Agree?
Read your $$ite before you do stuff. Agree?
Oil is a sensitive issue here. Agree?
My advice is..... Whatever it is. Some chose to agree and some don't. Cool.
All I m asking for is to have an open conversation before some one steps in and quenches it all (DH?)
That's all forums are all about.
Facts? Hey Doug, please give me your facts before I give you mine.
I m tired of this approach.
Read fu€£¥ing guide 4 & 5 before you open your mouth on Porsche oils. Do it. Seriously!!!
Read all 72 pages.
Barry is not an idiot. Trust me. He knows the Shiite.
The OP, please read www.hartech.org. Guide 4 & 5.
Unless of course you lease that car.
One More note: I love porsche cars. I do. Please mail me if in doubt.
We are passionate. About cars, oil, other stuff. Passionate is the word.
I m passionate about bolts that I use on my car. Seriously.
Guys, don't let emotions take over.
Cheers,
Luke
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Luxter - Where are your facts?

If none then no more from me!

and where are your facts Doug?
Likewise.....
So long.....

One thing I have to admit Doug is that I have never learned anything from you. Anything at all.
Sorry to say that.
Completely nothing.
I am really sorry to say that Doug. My expectations were a lot higher coming to BITOG to be honest with you.
Sorry again.
Luke
 
Originally Posted By: NewC6
Just got a new 2013 Porsche Boxster. I haven't researched much on European oils and the more I do, the more confused I get.

Porsche use Mobil1 0W-40 at the factory. On the Corvette forums I frequent, that oil is getting pretty good reviews. But I ran across some info on the Mobil1 which bothers me a little and that is that the Noack volatily is higher than say for the PU European and the Amsoil European formulas IIRC. The second question is should I use a mid SAPS or a full SAPS oil. They both seem to have the Porsche A40 approval, I know the full SAPS has more additive but do the Porsche engines need that?

I have done some research but coming to the specialists here to hopefully answer my questions and help me make an more informed decision.

Thanks



There are several options if that car were mine:

Motul X-Cess 5W40 is Porsche approved and far better than Mobil 1 0W40 in your engine (5,000 MI OCI, don't follow manuf. OCI.
Motul 300V, excellent in every aspect, hard to beat - THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO
Joe Gibbs DT40 highly recommended by LN and Flat6 OPTION # 2
Millers CFS 5W40 NT With nano technology promoted by Hartech in UK (and they really know their stuff) EQUAL TO #1
Stay away from M1 although it improved lately (after many "adjustments")
Your best bet is to follow porsche specific forums for more accurate info.
Cheers
L
 
Originally Posted By: Luxter
Are you visually impaired?
Read my previous posts.
I Know a lot of people and have access to various pits too, come on.......
Did you get any facts from Doug too????
Please do us all a favour and present them all now.......


Whoa. Chill out. Doug is a long time member who's integrity and knowledge is beyond question for an oil apprentice such as myself. When you come on bashing the most certified oil on earth I'm going to question why.
Like I said,I wasn't trying to be a jerk nor am I a big Mobil fan however I am a fan of knowledge which is why I asked for your justification of those comments. I just wanted to know why,anyone can post anything on an anonymous Internet forum. I wanted to learn why you posted those comments. No need to be a jerk about it.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Luxter

For one: you don't even have a dog in this race
Two: forward this note to Hartech.org
Cheers,
Luke


No Luke, I have a BMW, who, as a brand, prefers varnish-happy Castrol lubricants, LOL!!!


+1
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
And these failures happen even if the guys are running the "Cats [censored]" TSW 10w-60, which is supposed to cure cancer and potentially infuse you with so much virility that you'll have super models knocking your door down to run your jimmy!


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Cheers OVERKILL, I soaked my keyboard when I read that one!
 
Wow, I know that opinions on BITOG are extreme but this thread surprised me. And sorry for not coming back in here, for some reason I received no notifications that the thread was continuing.

To answer some generic questions, M1 0W-40 is overwhelmingly favored on the Porsche forums, I expected that. But it is also recommended on some Corvette Z06 (current gen.) forums also and that helped prompt my question. Also, wanted to know if other oils were in the mix and it appears there are, but they aren't necessarily easy to buy unless I do mail order.
The partial/full SAPS question was prompted by Amsoil's promoting two different Euro formulas as mid and full SAP's. Wish we could explore that a little. Also, how about the Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra formulas? Any opinions (LOL) on those oils?
Lastly, Doug, please come back with your insights, they are valuable and please accept that I want to hear Luxter's opinion AS WELL as yours.

And to answer the real underlying question everybody probably has, until more data is accumulated by me, I intend to use the M1 0W-40 for at least some, if not all, of the warranty period unless HARD data shows up indicating to me that another oil acceptable to Porsche is better.
 
Hi,
NewC6 - Firstly, enjoy your car - and thanks!

My most loved Porsche was my 928S4 - and I still miss it so many years after I sold it. The 928 was perceived by some to have lubricant/lubricatioon issues. Some "experts" even prescribed 25W-70 lubricants in these 32V (hydraulic lifters) engines. The Factory fill was a 5W-40 Shell synthetic for obvious reasons!

Oil starvation on tight corners when racing caused most issues - an Accusump cured it too. Porsche cars are often used in circumstances they were not designed for - and by persons that don't know their limitations - their own, Technical or otherwise

It's interesting to note that the Zuffenhausen Museum uses/used Valvoline 20W-50 in most of their prized posessions - and always warmed to 80C before "load" was applied

Enjoy your lovely car and rest comfortable with the lubricant you are using
 
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Originally Posted By: Luxter
Originally Posted By: bigjl
You don't hear about many Porsche engines having oil related engine issues so I would use Mobil 1 without hesitation.

Seriously?
Call Baz Hart at Hartech for more info. Not far from where you live.


And Baz Hart would likely confirm that most oil related issues had more to do with operator error than the oil being used.
 
And Hartge is nowhere near where I live. I live in the outskirts of London Nd they are in Bolton.

They have indeed been going a long time.

But the reason Porsche engines are sent back to Germany for rebuild is nothing to do with dealers not being able to fix them correctly.

In much the same way as a badly crash damaged Porker will be sent to Germany for repair it is done primarily to retain resale value in the more expensive models by keeping standards under Porsche control. Same with engines, Porsche can keep quality controlled if they do the rebuilding, though this nothing new as most manufacturers dealing with an engine failure would send a new engine to be fitted to the car and the old one returned for an autopsy.

The only reason to do it any other way is simply to reduce cost to the consumer.

Not something that should be relevant to anybody considering a new Porsche.

I hope you get some help with your anger issues Luke.
 
Thanks all for the input. It got a little testy but overall, good input and debate. And thanks to Pablo for the links.
 
Whew! Some people really hate M1. I'm not loyal to any oil, and I'm open to reasoning in a civil way. But, when bad attitude gets in the way, I just tune out. BTW, my next OC will be M1 0W-40. Lexter just "sold" me to it.
 
Originally Posted By: gregoron
Whew! Some people really hate M1. I'm not loyal to any oil, and I'm open to reasoning in a civil way. But, when bad attitude gets in the way, I just tune out. BTW, my next OC will be M1 0W-40. Lexter just "sold" me to it.


And a fine choice it is! More certs than any other oil I have seen, and many times available on sale at NAPA and others.

A very versatile oil with many applications. It's printed on my oil cap by the SRT boys, and they are serious.
 
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