Solar panels on EV cars

Do those panels make any usable power during a full moon? Just curious...
No. Reflected sunbeams are not strong enough to charge solar cells. Solar cells work best, of course, under direct sunlight. They operate at far less efficiency on cloudy days, dpending on the amount of sunlight. When you spec out your particuliar system, your climate, surrounding trees and such, are key. For example, I did not need a large system because of my location where a home in say Seattle or Portland would need a larger system to generate adequate power.
 
No sarcasm, 6 free fill ups a year is significant in my humble opinion.

I'm just going to use made up numbers here, so please don't jump on me people.
Lets say that the year is 2030, and the world has 20 million EV cars on it. Those 20 million cars each get 6 free fill ups from the sun, by doing nothing but taking their owners to work, shopping, out for entertainment, or what.
That is saving 120 million fill ups annually from the grid, which in many places is already over used, and they are asking people to turn off their AC which I've heard on the news many times in California.

Less coal and natural gas are burnt, saving the environment, costs, and more than anything, the owner gains more driving range.
While you were golfing, you just gained enough electricity for the drive home from the golf course for example.
Or you have a short commute to work, and daily are adding some power while it sits in your parking space, and now you're plugging it in only once a month, because your short commute only requires 150% battery capacity pef month, and you got 50% of that while parked.

I like to go to my cabin at the lake, so lets say that I owned a model 12345 EV made by Super duper car company.

I left the house with 50% battery, used 10% driving there, parked my car for a week, get ready to drive home, and see that my car is now at 54%, which is more than when i left home.

Isn't that a win win win for everybody.

And if you are already dropping $70,000 for a car, what is an extra $2,000 really.
I'll gladly give up the glass roof. It doesn't open on a Tesla anyway, nor does it have a built in shade. I'd rather have a solar panel anyway. Yep, make it an option. I get why they wouldn't want to add it considering how slow the charge is, but I would still want one. That 2-3 days sitting outside at a remote location covers my situation perfectly. My LaCrosse trips would mean I could fully round trip it with the 2 day stop while not having hotel charger access without stopping to charge in most cases.

I think in the case where a smaller car's EV battery is only 2.5 gallons of gas power equivalent, that every little bit counts.
 
When the day comes i buy an ev, hopefully it will have a solar roof.

Again, not being sarcastic, I wish they all came like that as a default.
If you decide to opt out of the solar roof, to get a glass roof you can, for say an extra $4,000.
 
When the day comes i buy an ev, hopefully it will have a solar roof.

Again, not being sarcastic, I wish they all came like that as a default.
If you decide to opt out of the solar roof, to get a glass roof you can, for say an extra $4,000.
You may be right, but I would suggest that money would be better spent on home solar panels because you can charge your car and home cheaper, especially in the longer run.
 
You may be right, but I would suggest that money would be better spent on home solar panels because you can charge your car and home cheaper, especially in the longer run.
I get it and the only reason I like the idea so much is that I spend so much time parked outside away from home. It definitely takes a specific use case to get the benefit.
 
Math: 165W Pmax solar panel puts out 8.72A @ 18.94V.

A run-of-the-mill level 2 Tesla charger is 40A @ 240V. About 9600W.

So, your roof-mounted solar panel, at it's absolute peak performance, provides about .02% of the charging of a level 2 charger.

Your 2% estimation is off by about a factor of 100 and even that is assuming the sun never sets, goes behind a cloud, or you park under a tree.

The juice isn't worth the squeeze. The hike isn't worth the view.

It'd be like trying to fill your swimming pool by spitting in it when you walk by.
Yup, and the battery capacity is measured in kWh...thousands of Watt hours. Add in the fact that the car will have a less than ideal angle, so charge performance won't be as good as a stationary panel of the same size. The real estate just isn't there for this to be practical.

160-200W is probably about what could be realistically fit on a roof of a car. Capacity factor would be around 5% most likely, as home roof mount are about 10%, it takes tracking arrays on the ground to get up into the high teens and low 20's.

So, even if we err on the high side and use 200W, that's 240Wh per day.

Using the OP's cabin situation, let's say his car had a 90kWh battery, and he left the house with 45kWh of available capacity and he used 9kWh driving there, leaving him with 36kWh capacity. He's there for 7 days, over which the solar panel has generated 1.68kWh, meanwhile, the car's self consumption is 1% per day:
Tesla said:
“Even when the Model 3 is not being driven, its battery discharges very slowly to power the onboard electronics. The battery can discharge at a rate of approximately 1 percent per day, though the discharge rate may vary depending environmental factors (such as cold weather), vehicle configuration and your selected settings on the touchscreen.”
which is 900Wh; 0.9kWh, 6.3kWh for the week. This leaves him with 31.38kWh. The solar panels do not cover even the loss of the systems running on the car.

This is why it's important to have access to a proper outlet that can provide a charge and run these systems on the car and why solar panels on the car are totally useless.
 
If we are using my cabin as an example, it has no electricity to it. Everything is propane only, fridge, stove, heat, lights.
 
Frustrating also that is uses so much energy while parked.
It should go into a sleep mode, and use 0.

Over a year, that is a LOT of power used for nothing.
 
Frustrating also that is uses so much energy while parked.
It should go into a sleep mode, and use 0.

Over a year, that is a LOT of power used for nothing.
Yeah, and it's not just the self discharge of the lithium batteries, which is about 5% a month, it's that, combined with the BMS (which not only monitors cell balance and state, but also keeps the 12V battery topped-up) and other embedded systems that ultimately create a pretty significant parasitic draw on top of the self-discharge (despite Tesla calling it "very slow").

I made the mistake of leaving a Makita lithium ion battery drill sitting for 8 months in a relatively low state of charge (but not dead). The battery bricked itself when the charge got too low. It wasn't hooked up, it was just self-discharge of the pack. I was able to resuscitate it with another battery, but I ended up making the same mistake again (I know, I know...) and apparently it only lets you get away with this once before the pack locks itself out and she's dead Jim.

Meanwhile, you can leave a diesel genset for 5 years with a full tank and you'll still have a full tank 5 years later.

Access to electricity will become even more important as the push to electrify things expands.
 
Frustrating also that is uses so much energy while parked.
It should go into a sleep mode, and use 0.

Over a year, that is a LOT of power used for nothing.

You can power down the cars to slow down phantom loss - but then things like sentry mode and precooling/ heating don't run.
 
Yeah, and it's not just the self discharge of the lithium batteries, which is about 5% a month, it's that, combined with the BMS (which not only monitors cell balance and state, but also keeps the 12V battery topped-up) and other embedded systems that ultimately create a pretty significant parasitic draw on top of the self-discharge (despite Tesla calling it "very slow").

I made the mistake of leaving a Makita lithium ion battery drill sitting for 8 months in a relatively low state of charge (but not dead). The battery bricked itself when the charge got too low. It wasn't hooked up, it was just self-discharge of the pack. I was able to resuscitate it with another battery, but I ended up making the same mistake again (I know, I know...) and apparently it only lets you get away with this once before the pack locks itself out and she's dead Jim.

Meanwhile, you can leave a diesel genset for 5 years with a full tank and you'll still have a full tank 5 years later.

Access to electricity will become even more important as the push to electrify things expands.
I admire people who own their own errors and even laugh at them. It's known as integrity.
 
I just have to believe that if EV solar roofs worked that wack Elon would have them on his cars.
But what do I know?
When flexible solar panels are cheaper than dirt you will see them on more cars, if nothing else to make the 12v battery last longer, and run an exhaust fan in the summer, which is a big problem on many modern “advanced technology “ cars.

The current Prime has the option and it gives a couple extra miles which is impressive for a 12lb option.

Main issue with a solar roof is heat collection, most cars should be painted with the high tech 99.9% reflective white paint to keep your car from becoming an oven

I can buy solar for about $0.25 a watt in the aftermarket, done intelligently it shouldn’t add much cost and shouldn’t weigh much either
 
Maybe the utilities are against it as it would mean less sales for them.

I had a Prius for a little while. It had a solar roof panel. When the temperature exceeded a certain level it activated the fan only of the a/c system and took the car out of recirculate mode. When you came out and got in the car the temp inside was basically whatever it was outside, well into the 90's here in the Houston area. Very hot but far less intolerable than the usual 130-140 degrees inside a car without that feature. They dropped it the next year. Stupid decision.
Leaf has that I think
 
Yeah, and it's not just the self discharge of the lithium batteries, which is about 5% a month, it's that, combined with the BMS (which not only monitors cell balance and state, but also keeps the 12V battery topped-up) and other embedded systems that ultimately create a pretty significant parasitic draw on top of the self-discharge (despite Tesla calling it "very slow").

I made the mistake of leaving a Makita lithium ion battery drill sitting for 8 months in a relatively low state of charge (but not dead). The battery bricked itself when the charge got too low. It wasn't hooked up, it was just self-discharge of the pack. I was able to resuscitate it with another battery, but I ended up making the same mistake again (I know, I know...) and apparently it only lets you get away with this once before the pack locks itself out and she's dead Jim.

Meanwhile, you can leave a diesel genset for 5 years with a full tank and you'll still have a full tank 5 years later.

Access to electricity will become even more important as the push to electrify things expands.
I wonder how much life I actually get out of these portable batteries. I love the convenience and I actually bought an electric weed trimmer and chainsaw because they used the same batteries as my drill. It works much better I think than I originally thought because I rotate through the batteries as I use them for different purposes. The chainsaw doubles up the batteries for power and actually works well and I didn't think it would. I've cut down a number of medium sized trees and done a lot of brush cleanup.

The first mower I had when I lived in Las Vegas was an electric push mower I bought for cheap off of someone on Craigslist(or some other online marketplace locally, I can't remember) and after a few years the battery wasn't enough to handle my small yard. It didn't have an easy to change battery pack and I couldn't find the one it needed to replace it. Most I see now have easily removeable packs that work like a big version of these drill batteries. My yard is pretty large and this is the only way I would want to do this with electric. If I needed a new mower now I would try it, but my Honda is only 2 years old now and knowing them it may last another 15-20 years.
 
You can power down the cars to slow down phantom loss - but then things like sentry mode and precooling/ heating don't run.


Well considering that I don't know what sentry mode is, I doubt that I would miss it.

And as always, my cars heat up or cool down as I drive.
 
I wonder how much life I actually get out of these portable batteries. I love the convenience and I actually bought an electric weed trimmer and chainsaw because they used the same batteries as my drill. It works much better I think than I originally thought because I rotate through the batteries as I use them for different purposes. The chainsaw doubles up the batteries for power and actually works well and I didn't think it would. I've cut down a number of medium sized trees and done a lot of brush cleanup.

The first mower I had when I lived in Las Vegas was an electric push mower I bought for cheap off of someone on Craigslist(or some other online marketplace locally, I can't remember) and after a few years the battery wasn't enough to handle my small yard. It didn't have an easy to change battery pack and I couldn't find the one it needed to replace it. Most I see now have easily removeable packs that work like a big version of these drill batteries. My yard is pretty large and this is the only way I would want to do this with electric. If I needed a new mower now I would try it, but my Honda is only 2 years old now and knowing them it may last another 15-20 years.

My electric chainsaw and snowblower are awesome.
The saw i use frequently, as it is strapped to my quad, and I regularly spot a blow down i need to cut up to keep the trails open on my land.
 
If anyone is curious, it is a Toro 60 volt, cuts like a hot ****!
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All the good stuff has already been said, but I’ll tag along…

I have flexible panels mounted on my truck camper shell and had 450 watts of PV on my camper.

the rigid, framed panels are more durable and produce more output. 200 watts of PV will top off the trucks starter battery in a couple of hours on an average partly cloudy day where I work and park. it won’t make any notable difference on a BEV, but I’m also all for the idea… get it anywhere we can.

I always thought the Prius‘ implementation of using solar for cabin ventilation was great. Wish they would continue that. Also, if the cabin fan was a brushed motor, there is motor lifespan to consider.

it takes a lot of PV to make this kind of power. Working 8 hours in my camper, with the laptop, a monitor, a couple Led lamps and a vent fan, 450 watts didn’t go that far under real world conditions like sun angle, weather, clouds, etc..

but, if you offer me a PV option, I’m gonna want it unless it’s just stupid $.
 
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