I tow a motorcycle with my nissan sentra ser specv 6 speed all the time, no problem. If you have a light motorcycle trailer and a sportbike that is 400lbs you should be OK with a manual tranny. Driving smoothly is the key. Any car can tow this trailer as it weighs 140lbs www.trailerinabag.com I have one and its awsome.
So what would be better to tow with, a Manual or Auto
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"that's because Dodge autos blow..."
As do the Ford, but the current Dodge and Ford seem better. The advice for older GM diesels was 'don't use them in hilly areas' as the power output was so low, so tranny reliability wasn't much of an issue.
"you can't even *get* the 605tq Duramax w/ a stick ).. the stick truck gets gets the lower output 520tq."
Since they defuel with the Allison the auto is still probably putting out less torque in 1st and 5th, unless the GM manual tranny is weak.
"funny thing is though.. the highest rated gm truck is still a gasser.. a 2wd 2500hd shortbed w/ the 8100 and allision"
For payload the Dodge is the same as the gas engines weigh less, but for towing the diesels do better as I recall.
As do the Ford, but the current Dodge and Ford seem better. The advice for older GM diesels was 'don't use them in hilly areas' as the power output was so low, so tranny reliability wasn't much of an issue.
"you can't even *get* the 605tq Duramax w/ a stick ).. the stick truck gets gets the lower output 520tq."
Since they defuel with the Allison the auto is still probably putting out less torque in 1st and 5th, unless the GM manual tranny is weak.
"funny thing is though.. the highest rated gm truck is still a gasser.. a 2wd 2500hd shortbed w/ the 8100 and allision"
For payload the Dodge is the same as the gas engines weigh less, but for towing the diesels do better as I recall.
OT, but I'm seriously considering doing the same thing. I have a 2004 Tacoma double cab 4wd. Thinking about getting a new Corolla S myself. Only concern is I need a truck for HD runs and pulling my boat, but we'll see.
GM uses the same manuals (NV4500 & NV5600) as Dodge does... New Venture Gear is a GM/DC joint venture. I think it has more to do with the ultra expensive dual mass flywheels and clutches than the trans itself.
I would HIGLY, and I repeat, HIGHLY suggest you ONLY get a 5 speed manual with a Corolla. I've got an 02 with an auto and a 94 with a 5 speed. The 02 is a friggggin DOG with the auto; the 94 would kick the 02s buttt in a drag race (if your into drag racing Corollas
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Another vote for the manual (especially if you're only towing a light load 2000 miles per year). Personally, I would get a Camry (or a Scion tC or Vibe/Matrix) with a 5 spd. Just don't get an automatic: You'll fall asleep from boredom and be aggravated by the lack of performance (and extra cost).
I would get an aluminum m/c trailer to lighten up the load as much as possible. Have you considered getting a Cobalt instead? More powerful engine and GM makes one of the most durable FWD drivetrains on the market. You should be able to get the Cobalt cheaper with all the incentives.
"Originally posted by 1sttruck: "Since they defuel with the Allison the auto is still probably putting out less torque in 1st and 5th, unless the GM manual tranny is weak."
GM uses the same manuals (NV4500 & NV5600) as Dodge does... New Venture Gear is a GM/DC joint venture. I think it has more to do with the ultra expensive dual mass flywheels and clutches than the trans itself."
Also, in a sitaution that I recall where the gentleman with the diesel and stick had to move a load that another with a diesel and auto couldn't move, the auto engine was the newer Ford 6.0, which I think has something like an advertised 600 lbs ft of torque, while the manual engine was an older Cummins rated at 505 lbs ft.
GM uses the same manuals (NV4500 & NV5600) as Dodge does... New Venture Gear is a GM/DC joint venture. I think it has more to do with the ultra expensive dual mass flywheels and clutches than the trans itself."
Also, in a sitaution that I recall where the gentleman with the diesel and stick had to move a load that another with a diesel and auto couldn't move, the auto engine was the newer Ford 6.0, which I think has something like an advertised 600 lbs ft of torque, while the manual engine was an older Cummins rated at 505 lbs ft.
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I imagine that the creeper gear (which is somewhere in the 5.xx:1 range ..and 6.xx:1 in some older versions) probably trumps the converter torque multiplier (effectively, stall speed) in ft/lbs to the ground (or lb/ft if you grew up when some clown in a high profile position decided to swap the order around and everyone else followed suit - sorta like Kar(a)oke(e) ..evolving to kareeokee ..it just happened :^) ).
Nice discussion on GM's 'TorqueManagement' with the Allison. For me it explains why a truck with a higher output and a fancy auto may not always be able to do the same things that a truck with a lower output and simpler tranny can.
http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/printthread.php?t=123667&pp=100
I don't really understand why GM doesn't beef up the tranny parts that fail instead of adding more TM everytime they add more power. :think: Off the line, my '04 feels about like an '85 Tempo I had in high school.
http://www.fullsizechevy.com/forums/printthread.php?t=123667&pp=100
I don't really understand why GM doesn't beef up the tranny parts that fail instead of adding more TM everytime they add more power. :think: Off the line, my '04 feels about like an '85 Tempo I had in high school.
if I can get my BFG At's to hook up, my 88 350 takes off like a **** rocket.. but she's not as stock as she once was... it's amazing the difference that 4deg of timing and unchoking the air intake can make.quote:
Originally posted by 1sttruck:
I don't really understand why GM doesn't beef up the tranny parts that fail instead of adding more TM everytime they add more power. :think: Off the line, my '04 feels about like an '85 Tempo I had in high school.
Matts comments hit the nail on the head exactly. You have the potential to burn through clutches pretty quickly towing with a light duty vehicle-especially if you do much city driving.
One of the hardest things I did was go from several years of driving a tractor trailer to driving a car with a manual transmission. Taking off I still tend not to give it enough throttle
I think you'll be a lot happier with the auto than the stick. As was said earlier, change the fluid frequently and add a transmission cooler and it will be fine.
ugghh, so many votes for both and good reasons too. I am as confused as ever- LOL. Speaking of my truck anyone interested in a 03 Tacoma 4x4 TRD pack Ext-cab? Impeccably maintained! $18K with 31K miles (blue book is 19+ private and 21K dealer retail)
I asked my brother (who works for a trucking company and drives them in the yard) about this, he informed me that a semi probably won't stall but will lurch like crazy if you don't ease off the clutch from a dead stop.
I can get both of my cars moving in 1st without giving them any gas. I do it all the time in stop and go traffic.
drew is right on the earlier corollas did run well with the 5spd.. the diff's seem to be the culprit on those corolla's. dont ask me how i know. haha.
calculate out what you need and how much you'll drive and tow and go from there. i've heard horror stories with people towing with small cars. i'd keep the truck but i'm biased ;-) ...
calculate out what you need and how much you'll drive and tow and go from there. i've heard horror stories with people towing with small cars. i'd keep the truck but i'm biased ;-) ...
Keep the Tacoma!
Crunch the numbers and you'll see that's the best economic alternative.
Crunch the numbers and you'll see that's the best economic alternative.
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Originally posted by Drew99GT:
I would HIGLY, and I repeat, HIGHLY suggest you ONLY get a 5 speed manual with a Corolla. I've got an 02 with an auto and a 94 with a 5 speed. The 02 is a friggggin DOG with the auto; the 94 would kick the 02s buttt in a drag race (if your into drag racing Corollas)
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