so inspiring

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
When Purotater says 99.9$ @20 microns, 20 is the starting point, plus all other stuff larger in the test powder. Same test, same starting point to compare to.

Purolator actually filters only 20 micron particles. Smaller particles go through the media. Larger particles simply get bypassed through the big tear in the media.

 

[Bigdaddyeasy]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Yep, not rocket science.

Wake up, it's. Only a dream

 

[ZeeOSix]

Actually, it's borderline quantum physics! ... for some.

 

[ZeeOSix]

OK, here's some info from Motorking about their testing for efficiency. I'm sure some here will not believe what's said, but some here where wondering what Motorking had to say about Fram's efficiency testing. I highly doubt he would jeopardize his job by giving false information.

Link 1

Link 2

 

[Nate1979]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
OK, here's some info from Motorking about their testing for efficiency. I'm sure some here will not believe what's said, but some here where wondering what Motorking had to say about Fram's efficiency testing. I highly doubt he would jeopardize his job by giving false information.

Link 1

Link 2


Well let's not add facts to the argument. That will just confuse some people.

On the other hand let's continue to use Wix data (with no documented test method listed) and an Orielly's website as documented proof for Wix's efficiency.

A public spokesman for Fram has publically stated exactly their test methodology and what their numbers mean (which apparently are going to be clarified on the new boxes soon??).

This is kindergarten level kiguc here that some persons apparently are having trouble with. Clear brand bias to the extreme.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Jay isn't going to put false information on the internet as a rep of Fram. People lose their jobs doing something like that. We all know you don't believe anything, so we'll just leave it at that.

 

[Bigdaddyeasy]

Originally Posted By: Nate1979
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
OK, here's some info from Motorking about their testing for efficiency. I'm sure some here will not believe what's said, but some here where wondering what Motorking had to say about Fram's efficiency testing. I highly doubt he would jeopardize his job by giving false information.

Link 1

Link 2


Well let's not add facts to the argument. That will just confuse some people.

On the other hand let's continue to use Wix data (with no documented test method listed) and an Orielly's website as documented proof for Wix's efficiency.

A public spokesman for Fram has publically stated exactly their test methodology and what their numbers mean (which apparently are going to be clarified on the new boxes soon??).

This is kindergarten level kiguc here that some persons apparently are having trouble with. Clear brand bias to the extreme.

He's a sales man, get that right.
I posted a kindergarten level math lesson for you guys. Let me know if you need help with it.

 

[SilverC6]

Splitting hairs (literally) over efficiency again?

Most any name brand oil filter meets OEM specifications for efficiency.

And no one here has ever brought any proof that a filter providing 50% efficiency at 20 microns isn't just fine.

Some manufacturers talk high efficiency for the marketing value.

And some focus on higher efficiency claims because they don't want to talk about the overall shoddy construction of their products.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy

He's a sales man, get that right.

You getting into the slandering mode now?

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
I posted a kindergarten level math lesson for you guys. Let me know if you need help with it.

... best study up some more before you try to be the teacher.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Splitting hairs (literally) over efficiency again?

Most any name brand oil filter meets OEM specifications for efficiency.

And no one here has ever brought any proof that a filter providing 50% efficiency at 20 microns isn't just fine.

Some manufacturers talk high efficiency for the marketing value.

And some focus on higher efficiency claims because they don't want to talk about the overall shoddy construction of their products.


How many 50% @ 20 micron filters are you using on all those vehicles in your signature?

Guess this is all made up stuff

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
How many 50% @ 20 micron filters are you using on all those vehicles in your signature?

Guess this is all made up stuff


All right, I'll bite. It's not made up but is it significant? On my two Toyotas (both bought new) and on the Accord I use the factory filters (or sometimes Denso aftermarket). None of them consume any appreciable amounts of oil between OCIs, and the filters I use are the biggest offenders according to everyone. Why aren't my engines toast or at least consuming huge quantities of oil?

The BMW uses OEM (Hengst) filters which also get a bad rap. So you can see why I just can't get worked up about efficiencies.

 

[goodtimes]

I'm tired of efficiency, going to put one of those adapter plates on and run a hose between the in and outlets. But then again might be easier just to put a Purotater on to get the same effect.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
I'm tired of efficiency, going to put one of those adapter plates on and run a hose between the in and outlets. But then again might be easier just to put a Purotater on to get the same effect.


Yeah well this is pretty much the typical argument people make on this subject, along the lines of "it's better to take the particles out than leave them in, no one can dispute that!"

Which ignores the fact that a lower efficiency filter does remove the particles. Why would you want to remove the filter entirely?

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ Yes, there is no harm in running a higher efficiency oil filter. I typically keep my vehicles 10~15 years so for me I like using better filters (oil and air). Could the vehicle get totaled before I care if the engine is more worn out or not ... could be. But you don't plan around disasters like that ... at least I don't.

I'll agree that changing the oil on a good regular OCI basis is very important too. But if someone is that good at taking care of an engine then why not use a pretty good oil filter also?

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: goodtimes
I'm tired of efficiency, going to put one of those adapter plates on and run a hose between the in and outlets. But then again might be easier just to put a Purotater on to get the same effect.

 

[Tony10s]

Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
WIX Filters Quality Video - YouTube http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R09Vc6tkDh0


Thanks for posting this.

 

[Tony10s]

Originally Posted By: bbhero
Hey man... Here's what I think what's going and been going on here... Two guys who are GOOD GUYS, very passionate, and opinionated got into a very heated exchange. Just like a good motor with a stuck thermostat.

I sincerely believe that both of you guys are really cool, good guys. So... Be able to disagree but not personal. I know its hard to do at times. I stand on level ground with ya on that. Not preaching to y'all

You both are very smart and add A LOT to any discussion on here. I appreciate that a lot

Good post bbhero, and as others have stated on here, you're a good guy too.

 

[Bigdaddyeasy]

I'll agree that changing the oil on a good regular OCI basis is very important too. But if someone is that good at taking care of an engine then why not use a pretty good oil filter also? [/quote]

I agree, use wix motorcraft or Napa gold. Very well built filters that filter well.

 

[bbhero]

Thanks a lot tony10s

Yeah they are a good number of cool cats on here.... Bigdaddyeasy, Zee0six, Wemay, Shannow, Clevy, Benito, OVERKILL, donnyj08, oneyejack and more too !

It is hard when we are passionate to not get to overheated. I know this for myself too. I need to not preach at people but to share my own experiences in a honest way to help them and remind myself of what's a better way to go too.

 

[jhellwig]