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^^^ I'm the one here trying to have a technical discussion with you, and you're turning a bit rude as this goes on. So please either get with the discussion at hand and stop eeking into the personal agenda. I can't help it if you got yourself a vacation in that other thread ... that's all on you as you are the one pushing the keyboard keys when you post. How about manning up and start being cool like you say.

So you think that Purolator's clam (and it says on their website) of 99.9% @ 20 microns per ISO 4548-12 is false? That's of course if they don't tear.
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ I'm the one here trying to have a technical discussion with you, and you're turning a bit rude as this goes on. So please either get with the discussion at hand and stop eeking into the personal agenda. I can't help it if you got yourself a vacation in that other thread ... that's all on you as you are the one pushing the keyboard keys when you post. How about manning up and start being cool like you say.

So you think that Purolator's clam (and it says on their website) of 99.9% @ 20 microns per ISO 4548-12 is false? That's of course if they don't tear.
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Again you revert to putting words in my mouth.
You didn't mention Purolator until just now.
Notice how Purolator doesn't say at greater than 20.
I believe purolators claim for the most part. If and when they fix their tearing issue, I think they will be a great filter to use.
Your gonna be ok friend. You just gotta slow down and think things out a little before you act. I'm pushing for ya!
 
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Again you revert to putting words in my mouth. You didn't mention Purolator until just now.
Notice how Purolator doesn't say at greater than 20.
I believe purolators claim for the most part. If and when they fix their tearing issue, I think they will be a great filter to use.
Your gonna be ok friend. You just gotta slow down and think things out a little before you act. I'm pushing for ya!


Nope, no words put in your mouth ... again, that's all on you since you're the one saying what you say. Sometimes a bit cryptic and erroneous, but hey ya gotta start somewhere.

But you should know by now that there are filters that can do 99+% at 20 microns. Of course you believe Purolator's claim since it's not a Fram - LoL. And BTW, Purolator could say "99.9% for particles >20 microns" and it would essentially still mean the same thing. I know you'll never understand that, and that's all AOK.
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Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ I'm the one here trying to have a technical discussion with you, and you're turning a bit rude as this goes on. So please either get with the discussion at hand and stop eeking into the personal agenda. I can't help it if you got yourself a vacation in that other thread ... that's all on you as you are the one pushing the keyboard keys when you post. How about manning up and start being cool like you say.

So you think that Purolator's clam (and it says on their website) of 99.9% @ 20 microns per ISO 4548-12 is false? That's of course if they don't tear.
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Again you revert to putting words in my mouth.
You didn't mention Purolator until just now.
Notice how Purolator doesn't say at greater than 20.
I believe purolators claim for the most part. If and when they fix their tearing issue, I think they will be a great filter to use.
Your gonna be ok friend. You just gotta slow down and think things out a little before you act. I'm pushing for ya!
But in fine print Purolator only lists the PL30001 filter. Also on the filter boxes for my Nissan and Toyota it says 99.9% @40 microns.
 
^^^ Yes, there is a caveat to the 99.9% @ 20 microns. Any manufacturer who references a test spec should also reference which filter(s) is used in the efficiency test to be accurate.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: Bigdaddyeasy
Again you revert to putting words in my mouth. You didn't mention Purolator until just now.
Notice how Purolator doesn't say at greater than 20.
I believe purolators claim for the most part. If and when they fix their tearing issue, I think they will be a great filter to use.
Your gonna be ok friend. You just gotta slow down and think things out a little before you act. I'm pushing for ya!


Nope, no words put in your mouth ... again, that's all on you since you're the one saying what you say. Sometimes a bit cryptic and erroneous, but hey ya gotta start somewhere.

But you should know by now that there are filters that can do 99+% at 20 microns. Of course you believe Purolator's claim since it's not a Fram - LoL. And BTW, Purolator could say "99.9% for particles >20 microns" and it would essentially still mean the same thing. I know you'll never understand that, and that's all AOK.
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I get the sense that you would argue around the clock and enjoy it.
There certainly are filters that can filter 99% of microns 20 or greater bit FRAM isn't one.
Purolator doesn't cover their [censored] with an out "at greater than". So their more believable.

No I think fu is a fine filter so I'm not picking on it. I'm just debunking the false info you put out about it.
I wanna make you work for the free filters FRAM is giving ya.
 
C'mon guys, you're going back and forth over something that can only be proved with $100k worth of testing equipment, and even then the results would probably be so close it would barely be measurable.
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I was looking at filters and saw this Wix info:
"Particle size retention is the measure of the degree to which the filter can retain particles of various sizes. WIX has developed optimum particle size retention quality in filter media through extensive engine wear tests in the real world, at the race track and in the lab. In fact, WIX media in automotive full-flow oil filters traps and holds essentially all particles larger than 25 microns (a human hair is roughly 70 microns in diameter), while capturing a high percentage of even smaller particles"
Larger Than 25. Which means greater than 25, which means 25 and larger.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1039578&cc=3308939&jnid=708&jpid=7
 
Agreed
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Guys... I think you both A) have valid points.. Greater than 20 could mean 25, 30 100 etc.. Or at 20 or greater meaning 20.1 or 25, 30 etc etc. Would be more specific too.

I would zero problem running a Napa gold aka Wix on my car. And I bet if there was a good sale none of us would turn that down right ??
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either the Fram Ultra or Wix gold are very good oil filters. And yes, BOTH could may well use an adjustment on how they present or potray their information on their filters.

You both are very smart and add a lot to the discussions on here. You both are good guys. And none of us has the $100,000 to test these puppies the way we want too. If I win a mega millions that's a huge pot... Then we will do just this.
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Agreed
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Guys... I think you both A) have valid points.. Greater than 20 could mean 25, 30 100 etc.. Or at 20 or greater meaning 20.1 or 25, 30 etc etc. Would be more specific too.

I would zero problem running a Napa gold aka Wix on my car. And I bet if there was a good sale none of us would turn that down right ??
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either the Fram Ultra or Wix gold are very good oil filters. And yes, BOTH could may well use an adjustment on how they present or potray their information on their filters.

You both are very smart and add a lot to the discussions on here. You both are good guys. And none of us has the $100,000 to test these puppies the way we want too. If I win a mega millions that's a huge pot... Then we will do just this.
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Ya, its really just turned in to a who's gonna get the last word sorta deal so I need to withdraw from the argument and let it go
zero can have the last word.I really don't wanna break into the piggy bank and drop that 100k to prove my point
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Originally Posted By: bbhero
Agreed
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Guys... I think you both A) have valid points.. Greater than 20 could mean 25, 30 100 etc.. Or at 20 or greater meaning 20.1 or 25, 30 etc etc. Would be more specific too.
they present or potray their information on their filters.


>20 means just that ... starting at anything just a miniscule larger than 20 (like 20.0001), which includes 20.01, 20.05, 20.1, 20.5, 21, 25, 30, 50, 100, etc, etc. That's the whole point in being able to say it's essentially "@20". I know some who aren't really very mathematical just don't get it, but that's fine.

But for someone to claim that it means something gigantic like @40, 50 or 60 microns is way off in the weeds.
 
I agree with that
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I also think that it could be more specific has well. @ 20 or greater would be a better way to go I believe.
I really like my Fram Ultra 6607 on my Altima and 4967 on the Camry. I would have zero problem using a Napa gold filter either. I just never really go to Napa.
I use math everyday. Medications can and do kill people if one doesn't know what concentration a med is.... It matters. An oil filter will not kill anyone. Maybe a motor if it tears though
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Originally Posted By: bbhero
I agree with that
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I also think that it could be more specific has well. @ 20 or greater would be a better way to go I believe.


Yes, agreed it would definitely be better and less confusing to some. And as I've said many times, WIX/NAPA Gold filters are good ones ... just wish WIX wasn't so secretive about their products.
 
Yeah area 51..??
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Tell ya what on a quick rabbit chase... I actually found a Royal Purple oil filter today at Pep Boys.. I know its made by Champion Lab. But I tell you what... That can was noticeably heavier than any other filter I have handled. And I mean by a fair amount heavier. If someone had an off road vehicle it may well be a better choice. For 90% of people driving it really wouldn't matter. But I was surprised at its weight.
 
LOL ... really?

Anyone knows that 20.00001 is greater than 20.

Best find a better on-line lesson. End of story.
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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
LOL ... really?

Anyone knows that 20.00001 is greater than 20.

Best find a better on-line lesson. End of story.
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I'm going to settle the confusion here.

What they're trying to say is this: If Ultra filters can filter 20.[000]1 microns @ 99.9%, and thus use the greater than sign with 20 microns...

WHY not just say 99.8% @ 21 microns???

Ergo, why not give the rating with "at [this] micron level" rather than "above [this] micron level?

It's called communication, folks, you should say what you mean so I don't have to argue for you.

~ Triton
 
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