So do you use oil, grease, or both?

[Mystic]

I am reasonably certain that MPro7 and Hoppe's Elite are the same products. I was able to find MPro7 long before Hoppe's Elite finally appeared at my local WalMart.

If you can find the gel-like cleaner instead of the spray cleaner the gel cleaner is better. It lasts longer.

Hoppe's Elite gun oil is supposed to have an antiwear additive and also claimed to be slicker than PTFE containing oils.

The Hoppe's Elite cleaner in spray form does not last long so I like to use it only when I need to clean my guns inside. For cleaning guns outside old Hoppe's No. 9 works okay. But I would rather use the newer Hoppe's Elite gun oil than the old Hoppe's gun oil. The Hoppe's Elite gun oil is synthetic and like I said is supposed to have an antiwear additive. And it is probably quite safe to use. And now I can find the Hoppe's Elite stuff locally. For a long time that was not true.

 

[bulwnkl]

Hoppe's Elite gun oil has a very distinctive color to it that makes me almost positive it has a biological base oil in it (like a canola oil, etc.). Also, even though it should be really 'sticky,' it tends to run down a barrel and 'pile' up on the bolt, even when applied extremely lightly.

So, I can't decide whether I like Hoppe's Elite gun oil or not. I do use the products on account of small kids who like to help me, and lack of hair.

 

[JHZR2]

anyone use copper antisieze which is apparently what Glock uses on their rails from the factory???

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
anyone use copper antisieze which is apparently what Glock uses on their rails from the factory???
Antisieze is (in my industrial experience) not a very good lubricant and really is not intended as such. My experience on guns maintenance is limited. Hopefully Tempest will be able to provide a better answer.

 

[bulwnkl]

Originally Posted By: bulwnkl
I do use the products on account of small kids who like to help me, and lack of hair.


Wow, don't know what distracted me when I wrote that. I meant lack of odor.
???
Sorry.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
anyone use copper antisieze which is apparently what Glock uses on their rails from the factory???
Antisieze is (in my industrial experience) not a very good lubricant and really is not intended as such. My experience on guns maintenance is limited. Hopefully Tempest will be able to provide a better answer.

Is copper a good lubricant? Not really. Antiseize uses the soft metal to prevent...well...seizure between parts under VERY high pressures and often very high temps (where oil based lubes simply evaporate). That's my take on it anyway.

Glock uses it because the gun could be in storage for a while and some lube is better than nothing.

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: bulwnkl
Originally Posted By: bulwnkl
I do use the products on account of small kids who like to help me, and lack of hair.


Wow, don't know what distracted me when I wrote that. I meant lack of odor.
???
Sorry.


I have a feeling you were looking at some adult oriented pictures...

 

[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Tempest

Is copper a good lubricant? Not really. Antiseize uses the soft metal to prevent...well...seizure between parts under VERY high pressures and often very high temps (where oil based lubes simply evaporate). That's my take on it anyway.

Glock uses it because the gun could be in storage for a while and some lube is better than nothing.


Right, but the reason for asking is because they DO use it. There generally should be some technical basis for using it, and thus a reason. They could have just as well picked anything else instead. For a firearm costing $490 to the consumer, likely $400 to the wholesaler, and $300 to Glock to build, I don't think that $1 in krytox will break the bank, as compared to $0.03 in copper antiseize.

So is the assumption then that a copper antiseize either contains a grease/oil that is less volatile than what would be put on otherwise, or that a dry copper metal serves better than a grease residue, or what? Supposedly it must help somehow with breakin, as the claim is to leave it on there until it is all gone or unsightly with residues.

Just seems that while some lube is better than nothing, there could be better lubes, even if designed for being stored for a LONG time... It seems to me that there may be a technical basis for what was chosen, but Im not sure why... if tis because of the polymer/metal structure, because of the masses of the components, the design, etc.

 

[Tempest]

Quote:
Supposedly it must help somehow with break in, as the claim is to leave it on there until it is all gone or unsightly with residues.

Is that in the manual? The one I found on line did not seem to indicate that.

Copper as a break in for VERY hardened steel surfaces? Not an expert here but I doubt it.
From the MSDS's that I took a quick look at on line, anti seize appears to be oil based, just like other grease type products. There is nothing unique about the way a Glock operates or it's construction that would lend credence to necessitating anti-seize.

Why does Glock use copper based anti-seize and NO ONE else does? Don't know. I've seen plenty of theories, but nothing definitive. Maybe Gaston owns shares in a company that makes the stuff (could be that simple). I would think that if it had properties beneficial to a gun's operation, other manufacturers would have caught on.
I do know Kimber recommends no grease on their pistols.

 

[Mystic]

Maybe the only reason they used that copper-based stuff at the factory is because the guns get shipped all over the world and oil would drain off the guns. Of course they could use a grease that would stay put but perhaps they prefer that customers use a gun oil.

They probably think if we put oil on the new guns it could be drained off by the time the customer gets it. Now the customer should be smart enough to oil the gun before using it. But you can't count on that.

If somebody completely neglected their gun but did not shoot often that copper stuff might last long enough to make it through the warranty period.

The people who really know how to maintain a gun will be out shooting and maintaining their guns properly.