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Small Cars a Waste?
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
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I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
*ding ding ding*
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: moribundman
The Audi A1, coming out in 2010 is tempting. It's a hybrid with a small turbo gas engine. Gets over 60 mpg, but can go up to 31 miles just on the battery. Will cost $22k and up. That's certainly not an econobox.
Audi A1
I will believe the $22k figure when I see it. Much like the Smart ..where the base is allegedly $12k+/- ..but the loaded Acme version is over $20k. The "livable" 60mpg version will be $30k+
Or $40k in Canada, where cars cost more for no particular reason at all.
Thanks for posting the article on the A1 Mori, I could see myself buying one of these for my daily 8 mile commute! It's about time the europeans had a hybrid offering in north america!
Originally Posted By: moribundman
The Audi A1, coming out in 2010 is tempting. It's a hybrid with a small turbo gas engine. Gets over 60 mpg, but can go up to 31 miles just on the battery. Will cost $22k and up. That's certainly not an econobox.
Audi A1
I will believe the $22k figure when I see it. Much like the Smart ..where the base is allegedly $12k+/- ..but the loaded Acme version is over $20k. The "livable" 60mpg version will be $30k+
Or $40k in Canada, where cars cost more for no particular reason at all.
Thanks for posting the article on the A1 Mori, I could see myself buying one of these for my daily 8 mile commute! It's about time the europeans had a hybrid offering in north america!
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
I'm guessing you're right.
This author is from Richmond Hill Ontario, which is located:
- 35 miles from GM Canada's head office in Oshawa, Ontario;
- 30 miles from Nissan Canada's head office in Mississauga, Ontario;
- 16 miles from Toyota Canada's head office in Markham, Ontario; and
- 35 miles from Ford Canada's head office in Oakville, Ontario.
No real mystery as to who paid for this study.
I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
I'm guessing you're right.
This author is from Richmond Hill Ontario, which is located:
- 35 miles from GM Canada's head office in Oshawa, Ontario;
- 30 miles from Nissan Canada's head office in Mississauga, Ontario;
- 16 miles from Toyota Canada's head office in Markham, Ontario; and
- 35 miles from Ford Canada's head office in Oakville, Ontario.
No real mystery as to who paid for this study.
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Originally Posted By: Jim 5
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
I'm guessing you're right.
This author is from Richmond Hill Ontario, which is located:
- 35 miles from GM Canada's head office in Oshawa, Ontario;
- 30 miles from Nissan Canada's head office in Mississauga, Ontario;
- 16 miles from Toyota Canada's head office in Markham, Ontario; and
- 35 miles from Ford Canada's head office in Oakville, Ontario.
No real mystery as to who paid for this study.
It was Mr. WUM!
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
I'm guessing you're right.
This author is from Richmond Hill Ontario, which is located:
- 35 miles from GM Canada's head office in Oshawa, Ontario;
- 30 miles from Nissan Canada's head office in Mississauga, Ontario;
- 16 miles from Toyota Canada's head office in Markham, Ontario; and
- 35 miles from Ford Canada's head office in Oakville, Ontario.
No real mystery as to who paid for this study.
It was Mr. WUM!
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I'd wager a bet there are more Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics out there with 300,000 miles than Ford or Chevy trucks with 300,000 miles.
I don't know about that. Ford and GM built tens of millions of trucks capable of 300,000 miles with decent maintenance. Most won't rack up that many miles, but plenty do. There are a number of million mile Ford and GM trucks as well.
The article is [censored] though. There is no reason a small car can't last for many years and many miles. The author seems to think that all small cars are like Yugos.
I'd wager a bet there are more Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics out there with 300,000 miles than Ford or Chevy trucks with 300,000 miles.
I don't know about that. Ford and GM built tens of millions of trucks capable of 300,000 miles with decent maintenance. Most won't rack up that many miles, but plenty do. There are a number of million mile Ford and GM trucks as well.
The article is [censored] though. There is no reason a small car can't last for many years and many miles. The author seems to think that all small cars are like Yugos.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Jim 5
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
I'm guessing you're right.
This author is from Richmond Hill Ontario, which is located:
- 35 miles from GM Canada's head office in Oshawa, Ontario;
- 30 miles from Nissan Canada's head office in Mississauga, Ontario;
- 16 miles from Toyota Canada's head office in Markham, Ontario; and
- 35 miles from Ford Canada's head office in Oakville, Ontario.
No real mystery as to who paid for this study.
It was Mr. WUM!
Mr. Wum does look like he would probably prefer a Mark V to any small car.
Originally Posted By: Jim 5
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I'd say this opinion is paid for by the big 3 automakers, Toyota, and Nissan, who makes most of their money on SUVs.
I'm guessing you're right.
This author is from Richmond Hill Ontario, which is located:
- 35 miles from GM Canada's head office in Oshawa, Ontario;
- 30 miles from Nissan Canada's head office in Mississauga, Ontario;
- 16 miles from Toyota Canada's head office in Markham, Ontario; and
- 35 miles from Ford Canada's head office in Oakville, Ontario.
No real mystery as to who paid for this study.
It was Mr. WUM!
Mr. Wum does look like he would probably prefer a Mark V to any small car.
A waste is surrounding yourself with several extra tons of vehicle that do not contribute anything to accomplishing your transportation mission.
Here's a waste for ya. 1997 Geo Metro automatic with 200,000 miles of it, still running fine. Usually add 1/2 qt. of oil between changes which are done every 5,000 or 6 mo. whichever comes first. It still gets 45 mpg on the open road. Just starting to get a little rust however the undercarriage is fine. Now this is a waste. HeHeHe
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I'd wager a bet there are more Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics out there with 300,000 miles than Ford or Chevy trucks with 300,000 miles.
I don't know about that. Ford and GM built tens of millions of trucks capable of 300,000 miles with decent maintenance. Most won't rack up that many miles, but plenty do. There are a number of million mile Ford and GM trucks as well.
True, but if you look at an even bigger scale, more Corollas have been built and sold worldwide than any other car. Like someone stated in another thread, in smaller poorer countries, practically every vehicle is a light truck or small older economy car with at least 200,000 miles.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I'd wager a bet there are more Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics out there with 300,000 miles than Ford or Chevy trucks with 300,000 miles.
I don't know about that. Ford and GM built tens of millions of trucks capable of 300,000 miles with decent maintenance. Most won't rack up that many miles, but plenty do. There are a number of million mile Ford and GM trucks as well.
True, but if you look at an even bigger scale, more Corollas have been built and sold worldwide than any other car. Like someone stated in another thread, in smaller poorer countries, practically every vehicle is a light truck or small older economy car with at least 200,000 miles.
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
True, but if you look at an even bigger scale, more Corollas have been built and sold worldwide than any other car. Like someone stated in another thread, in smaller poorer countries, practically every vehicle is a light truck or small older economy car with at least 200,000 miles.
Very true. And those cars do NOT get the oil changes and maintenance that our cars get. Yet they have engines making 200k plus!
Wonder how many use Syn oil?
Bill
True, but if you look at an even bigger scale, more Corollas have been built and sold worldwide than any other car. Like someone stated in another thread, in smaller poorer countries, practically every vehicle is a light truck or small older economy car with at least 200,000 miles.
Very true. And those cars do NOT get the oil changes and maintenance that our cars get. Yet they have engines making 200k plus!
Wonder how many use Syn oil?
Bill
Originally Posted By: Shannow
The 4 wheel drums fitted to cars in the 60s and early 70s were utterly hopeless, particularly compared to the disks of the day.
the stock drum brake system fitted to my '69 bonneville is absolutely superb when correctly adjusted
but the same system, which is used on my '69 rocket lll is not as good, prolly due to the extra weight of the bsa
The 4 wheel drums fitted to cars in the 60s and early 70s were utterly hopeless, particularly compared to the disks of the day.
the stock drum brake system fitted to my '69 bonneville is absolutely superb when correctly adjusted
but the same system, which is used on my '69 rocket lll is not as good, prolly due to the extra weight of the bsa
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
A waste is surrounding yourself with several extra tons of vehicle that do not contribute anything to accomplishing your transportation mission.
Most hard-core motorcyclists will agree with you. That opinion is perfectly correct for those whose only mission in buying a car is transportation of people, and I don't just limit this analysis to tonnage. However, my own unscientific opinion is that for most people the mission of transportation of people accounts for something like 30% (or less) of the money spent on cars/bikes. I am included in this group.
Anybody driving anything more functional/valuable than a corolla with less than 200k miles on it is too. (In my unscientific opinion - and in the spirit of being observant and not judgemental).
A waste is surrounding yourself with several extra tons of vehicle that do not contribute anything to accomplishing your transportation mission.
Most hard-core motorcyclists will agree with you. That opinion is perfectly correct for those whose only mission in buying a car is transportation of people, and I don't just limit this analysis to tonnage. However, my own unscientific opinion is that for most people the mission of transportation of people accounts for something like 30% (or less) of the money spent on cars/bikes. I am included in this group.
Anybody driving anything more functional/valuable than a corolla with less than 200k miles on it is too. (In my unscientific opinion - and in the spirit of being observant and not judgemental).
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