Sludged Modular 4.6

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A friend has a 2008 Crown Vic he bought new in late 2007, and always had serviced at the Ford dealer. Recently, he developed a bad valve cover gasket leak and found the dealer's quote rather expensive at almost $400, so he took it to an independent Ford tech who used to work at the dealership.

When the valve covers were removed, the tech informed him his engine was sludged and you could scoop it with a spoon. He told me about it, which I found very odd considering he had oil changes every 5,000 km (3,000 miles) at the dealership. The guy cleaned up the cylinder head, but that doesn't mean to say the rest of the engine is clean.

After a quick look at his receipts and a call to people I know at the dealer, I found out his engine was on Castrol GTX 10w30 for quite a while. Whilst I have nothing against Castrol, their products here are nothing like those sold in North America and Europe. They all 'meet the requirements of API SL' and are not even ILSAC rated (10W-30). They all come out of the same company in Dubai, who also bottle other companies' products and are overall rubbish at best. And considering this engine calls for an SM/GF-4 rated oil, this wasn't exactly the best choice of oil anyway. They used to use Motorcraft, which they still sell, but I think the excuse of a lubricant they bought from Castrol was cheaper for them.

The clean up plan I've come up with is this. His engine takes about 6.5L of oil, so I'm going with 5 quarts of SM rated Pennzoil Conventional 10w30 and 1.5 quarts of MMO. Going to run it for 2,500 km (1,500 miles), then dump in a bottle of Liqui-Moly Pro-Line Engine Flush. Idle the engine for the recommended 15 minutes, dump the oil, replace the filter and refill. Repeat the procedure 4 times, and switch to Pennzoil Platinum 5w30.

Can't beleive this happened to an engine with only 127,000 km (80,000 miles) on the clock.
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Sounds like either a completely counterfeit oil or someone is asleep at BP/Castrol licensing the name.

Fairly irrelevant that this is a ford 4.6 except that they're good motors and this pins the blame on the oil. Desert climate means even short trips shouldn't make it this bad.
 
Not the oil's fault. A modular 4.6L should go for hundreds of thousands of miles on plain-jane XXw30 oil without sludging. Something else was wrong with that motor.
 
Sounds like 1) your friend is lying about the OCI for that vehicle.
2) someone used a bulk oil wrongly marked. Maybe heavy machine metal cutting oil was marked as 10w30.
3)the mechanic is lying to generate more work.

Oil doesn't just sludge up because of normal use and life span.

I smell a rat in here somewhere. Lets just say things don't lie but people do.
 
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
Recently, he developed a bad valve cover gasket leak and found the dealer's quote rather expensive at almost $400,


Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
When the valve covers were removed, the tech informed him his engine was sludged and you could scoop it with a spoon. He told me about it, which I found very odd considering he had oil changes every 5,000 km (3,000 miles) at the dealership.



I would question if the oil was even changed at some of those 3K intervals. Also, what they put on paper may not be what they installed. Did you see the recent thread about SA and SB oils?
 
Not sure if it would work, but Id want to eave it in there, take it back to the dealer for the $400 fix, and make them eat it with the sludge repair, given the receipts from all the OCs that were done there per the book.
 
Like many here, I agree there is 'more to this' than what we are being told.

If the oil really was API SL, engine would not have sludged up with 3k intervals - engines didn't sludge up on 3k intervlas with API SE/SF oils 30 years ago!!!
 
@OP:

While I always take your postings/discussions seriously (with integrity and respect), and what your friend has told you so far. Something doesn't jive here:

(1 )if OCI was rigidly abided by according to service records/receipts, sludge shouldn't have formed so quickly.

Question: ask/go through your friend's OCI receipts and service records to verify.

(2 ) dealership cheated by skpping (intentionally missing) oil changes during OCI. Unless your friend perform post dealership servicing checks (checking dipstick oil level, oil colour, etc.) to confirm that fresh oil has been put into the engine, do not discount the possibility that shady/questionable dealership practice RE: charging you oil change that didn't happen while letting the existing oil lapse. It happened to some of the "stealerships" before ( I was a certified mech in my region before and "I've seen it all...")

(3 ) dealership quoted Castrol GTX but maybe cheated by using some crrapy domestic blender/supplier oil (or even bulk oil). Don't forget that may shady oil suppliers/oil blends in developing countries such as certain underdeveloped Asian countries, African or even middle-East countries, etc. where oil certification was "fake" (obviously, it's not even seriously up to API standards that they claimed to be at). As a result: oil breaks down ever so quickly that it isn't funny anymore. (seen that happened to domestic oils that claimed meeting certain latest API specs but starts to break down waaay sooner than the oil should have, in Malaysia, etc.)


I'd seriously ask your friend to provide all the necessary information and then go after the dealership in this case.

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I would lean more towards a shady dealership not doing all OCI's as they say. As long as he had it done every 3K, there should be no reason why it's sludged.
 
Don't forget that where he is driving this gets pretty warm. 110+ for highs in the summer months (and 90+ for lows at night...ugh, still remember those days...) = very high oil temps. I suspect that the oil was counterfeit, and when coupled with the heat, he experienced severe oil breakdown...
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Don't forget that where he is driving this gets pretty warm. 110+ for highs in the summer months (and 90+ for lows at night...ugh, still remember those days...) = very high oil temps. I suspect that the oil was counterfeit, and when coupled with the heat, he experienced severe oil breakdown...


I beg to differ. Module 4.6 isn't such a high-stress engine to begin with, and weather isn't all that warm (don't bother comparing with Texan heat or Navajo desert, etc.) so long as the cooling system is effectively maintained in this car.

I'm leaning heavily towards shady/unethical servicing practices from stealership in this case, or the oil they used in servicing this car, or combination of both.

Q.

p.s. so long as proper OCI is practiced, severe oil breakdown is an extremely rare occurance nowadays.
 
Either the dealership did not do the changes and/or used a sub par oil.

Many police and municipal fleets have run 10w30 and even 15w40 on these modular 4.6 engines with no ill effect.

Counterfeit parts and lubricants are rampant in that part of the world.
 
Originally Posted By: Hootbro
Either the dealership did not do the changes and/or used a sub par oil.

Many police and municipal fleets have run 10w30 and even 15w40 on these modular 4.6 engines with no ill effect.

Counterfeit parts and lubricants are rampant in that part of the world.


Bingo! My thoughts exactly.

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Modular's are not known for sludge at all, even with lack of maintainence. Check the gasket where the oil filter adapter meets with the block. Both oil and water pass through there and those gaskets are a common leak point.
 
There is another option that people aren't considering. Unless he saw under the valvecover himself, it is possible that the independent shop made up the story about the sludge in order to increase billable hours for "cleaning". Not saying that this is the case, but it is possible.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
There is another option that people aren't considering. Unless he saw under the valvecover himself, it is possible that the independent shop made up the story about the sludge in order to increase billable hours for "cleaning". Not saying that this is the case, but it is possible.


Not trying to start a religious debate but considering the primary religion of the area, that scenario would be a serious ethical lapse wit severe consequences. Not impossible, but not in the high odds category either.
 
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