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Have to say I am getting really sick and tired or warranty repairs on GM products, but right now I’m facing another issue - the dealer denying a warranty!

The vehicle in question is a ’07 Tahoe Z71, which actually belongs to my best friend. The truck is at 63,000 km (39,375 miles) and has developed a valve cover leak. Reading through the vehicle’s owner manual, there are two different warranties on this vehicle: bumper to bumper, which is 3 years or 60,000 kilometres (36,000 miles) and an engine/drive train warranty, which is 5 years or 160,000 kilometres (100,000 miles).

We took the truck into the dealership, where the truck was purchased and serviced, and I have to say my friend and I were rather offended by the “Service Manager’s” behaviour. First we asked to see a member of staff who is authorised to deal with warranty claims. Next, we were passed onto the Service Manager. His first response was “Your vehicle has exceeded 60,000 km, we are not covering this repair”. Considering their overpriced servicing costs ($310 to change engine oil/filter and drop the trans pan and refill with 5 quarts of Dexron VI), I was outraged with the fact that he would not even view the vehicle.

Next, I took out the service booklet and pointed out that there were two types of warranty offered on this truck, which I mentioned above. When I showed him the bumper to bumper warranty, he goes “See, it even mentions it in the manual!” Then I showed him the warranty supplement. He took the warranty supplement, which mentions engine/drive train warranty and accused us of faking it. This booklet was supplied with the truck. Next he goes out and checks every single Tahoe/Suburban on their lot (both new and those in service) and comes back to say this wasn’t a GM document. Then he goes back to his old story of the warranty being expired. I told him I was not referring to the bumper to bumper warranty and his response literally was “What? You want a new bumper?”.

Then he walks out and throws a print out at me from autopartners.net, which mentions only bumper to bumper. He then takes it back, saying he cannot give this to customers. At this point, I threw the ball back in his yard. I told him this engine calls for 5w30, you dump 20W-50 in my slump and when I have a problem you tell me to walk out the door I came in from. Next he tells us stories about them using BP 5w30. I asked for a spec sheet, and he said it cannot be given to customers. I always stick to manufacturer recommendations, and I’ve had a tough time finding a 5w30 weight oil in Kuwait…if BP had one, I would have known. The only 5w30 oils I have seen are Pennzoil and Fuchs Titan. So I knew he was telling me porkies.

At this point, my friend got rather annoyed. So he said “We’re not getting anywhere with you, mate…we’re just going around in circles” and walks out. This isn’t an Epica or an Aveo. It’s a fully loaded Tahoe, which cost over $53,000 back in 2007. The fact that his family has an ’10 H2, ’09 Silverado HD and ’09 Escalade and has been a loyal GM customer for over 20 years is even more annoying.
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Do dealers not get reimbursed by GM for warranty repairs? When my uncle's '09 Denali had a problem with his automatic climate control, the Service Manager accused us of "abusing" it and the truck only had 1,927 km (1,204 miles) on it. And that's after my uncle paid them for additional oil changes at 500 km and 1,000 km, when all he had to do was drive and get his complimentary oil change at 1,500 km. You dump all this hard earned cash, and get treated like this in return, as if money grows on trees.
 
Originally Posted By: Falcon_LS
At this point, I threw the ball back in his yard. I told him this engine calls for 5w30, you dump 20W-50 in my slump and when I have a problem you tell me to walk out the door I came in from.


I recall your earlier thread about the oil discrepancy. I would recommend finding another dealer (although I don't know how many choices you have in Kuwait). I've never failed to get something fixed under warranty from a GM dealer, even items which I was certain they wouldn't cover.
 
In the US on a warranty claim with Ford the techs get paid their labor time based on the Service Labor Time Standards and the dealer gets paid their warranty rate assigned by the Company. on the parts side we bill parts out at cost plus 40% on warranty ROs. btw this is with factory warranty and Ford ESP, if its an aftermarket warranty we charge MSRP on parts and labor is usually based on Mitchell book time at our walk in labor rate.

I am assuming GM operates the same way.
 
My experiences with GM under warranty have been fantastic. The dealers must make out like bandits on warranty work. My car had some trim bubbling on the steering wheel and they replaced the entire steering wheel even though you can replace just the trim.

I'm assuming this is the same dealer you were talking about in another thread concerning oil?
 
Dang. I don't think all GM dealers are the same way as that one. I know the one's I've ever been too aren't nearly so bad as that. My grandfather had no problem getting the transmission replaced, and has never had any problems getting warranty repairs done either.
 
Read the warrantee carefully. I don't believe gaskets or seals are included, unless they need replacing while repairing a covered part, such as reciprocating parts, valves etc. That said, my own GM warrantee experiences lead me to believe they will deny whatever they can get away with, and their huge legal dept. will make you take legal action to force them to fix some things that are clearly covered.
 
My friend's BIL owns a Chevy dealer in a small town in East Texas. He has told me that since GM's financial woes, they (corporate) have been looking for any excuse they can to deny warranty claims.

Case in point, his dealer performed work and billed GM for it, GM came back and denied it and cited that the tech performed the work had one of his retraining 1 week over due. He has to hire an extra head to research all the extra loopholes before performing the work, and submitting the claim.

But this guy in Kuwait is just rude, throwing stuff and calling his customer a liar. He would have his butt whooped here.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT

Maybe GM in other parts of the world doesn't have the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.


+1, read your bill of sale paperwork from when you bought the truck. I almost think the US warranty was included with the owners manual accidentally, and the Kuwaiti importer/dealer forgot to remove the paper.

For all I know, the dealer/importer buys vehicles "as is" from the manufacturer then has the burden of standing behind them himself. From my understanding of your writings the dealer and importer are the same entity.
 
Your truck is covered. I remember your past issues with this dealer who I think you said was really an "importer" so maybe he is not authorized by GM and that's why he's rather charge you.
 
Many thanks for all the input. Yes, this is the same dealer I have posted about before regarding oil. I find it very stange that the service advisor would recommend 20W-50, offer a 5W-40 synthetic then have the service manager tell you all they use is 5w30 conventional.

Originally Posted By: eljefino
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT

Maybe GM in other parts of the world doesn't have the 100,000 mile powertrain warranty.


+1, read your bill of sale paperwork from when you bought the truck. I almost think the US warranty was included with the owners manual accidentally, and the Kuwaiti importer/dealer forgot to remove the paper.

For all I know, the dealer/importer buys vehicles "as is" from the manufacturer then has the burden of standing behind them himself. From my understanding of your writings the dealer and importer are the same entity.


Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Your truck is covered. I remember your past issues with this dealer who I think you said was really an "importer" so maybe he is not authorized by GM and that's why he's rather charge you.


This is actually a GM authorised dealer/importer/distributor. They have the legal rights to carry GM's brand names in Kuwait (including ACDelco). I'm sure GMBoy will be able to confirm this, vehicles sent to the Middle East are purpose built - meaning the authorised dealer/importer orders the vehicles from GM and they build them to spec, then have them shipped abroad. They're slightly different compared to USDM vehicles, and actually come with documentation/labeling in both English and Arabic. If GM supplied this bilingual document as a warranty supplement, I do not see why the dealership would remove them prior to delivery. Why would GM go into the trouble of translating it, if that is the case?
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Either way, if I cannot resolve this through the dealership, I will be contacting General Motors directly.
 
A family friend used to be a GM licensed technician at a local Chevy dealership. He told me he quit because the oil changers got paid more money than he did working full time. He explained to me that he did not receive full monetary compensation when doing a warranty job. The rate was 1/3rd the normal rate for repair work. He said by the time he discovered the exact cause of the problem (which he did not get money for) and did the repair, he was receiving less than $7/hr. for many of the warranty jobs. I don't know much about pay rates or how GM dealerships handle their service techs, but that sounds lousy to me. I have little reason to doubt his word, but it seemed odd to me as well. Maybe someone can expound on their experiences.
 
Thats [censored] that GM does not pay diag under warranty, Ford sure does. At my work we are also a Mazda dealer, Mazda does not pay diag. One of my techs said that when he called for approval for teardown on a Mazda 5 that had never had an oil change after 30k miles they said they wouldn't pay and as far as they were concerned the car could sit until it diagnosed itself.
 
Sheesh. What a story.

My latest experience with GM is very good, as they are replacing my speedometer on an 05 Silverado. WAY out of warranty.

No cost to me.
 
A Chevy dealer here told me the amount they get reimbursed for warrantee work depends upon the satisfaction surverys returned by customers. They must have told me 5 times to put completly satisfied in every catagory on the survey, that way they get reimbursed at a higher rate. I wasn't completely satisfied, and my survey reflected that. The next time I went in for warrantee service they mentioned my previous survey and didn't want to work on my vehicle because I hadn't given them a completely satisfied rating. It is all about the money, they don't give a [censored] about you or your vehicle.
 
It seems that a lot depends on the local dealer. Our Chevy dealer is really good. Wife just got her 2008 Malibu out of the shop for some interior trim issues and they also put a new inspection sticker on for free, w/o being asked. Can't get any better than that. Also got a free loaner car. I've noticed some of the mechanics there have been working there over 10 years, so they must treat their employees ok.
 
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