Another VAG screw up, a hot running turbo motor with a small sump a disaster waiting to happen. It is what I call German arrogance. It is always somebody else's fault wrong oil or what ever. "Our German engineering is perfect" then years later they finally get around to fixing a design problem. The Japanese are constantly refining there designs even when there is no problem just to make it better. When I wear out my jetta I will not replace it with another German car. By then I am sure other diesels will be available. Dan
Sludge & low OP with M1 0w-40 @10k, Audi 1.8t
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Hehe... there was a guy on AudiWorld's wheel&tire forum not too long ago blaming Dunlop for all his flat tires. Oh yeah, and BTW, he lives near a construction zone.
Yet, somehow you don't hear of any sludge issues on these engines in Europe. I wonder why. Could it be that no one uses dino in them here?
That said, I agree... the small sump doesn't exactly help. And yes, it was AoAs/VoAs fault for not specifically requiring the use of synthetic oil meeting at least the VW 502.00 spec.
I"ve been running 10,000 mile oil and filter changes in my 225 hp, Audi TT for over two years w/ extremely good results. Oil analysis of every batch of oil I've used indicates that it would still be servicable for another 2000-4000 miles.
I'd say this engine has problems that are unrelated to oil use....
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I'd say this engine has problems that are unrelated to oil use....
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We have a client for whom we are investigating the design defects of the Audi A4 1.8 turbo that resulted in oil sludging and related engine failure.
We are interested in hearing the details of anyone else’s experience, including any dealings with Audi in connection with its “extended warranty” offer.
Andrea L. Blanscet
Paralegal to Randal R. Kelly
Irwin & Boesen, P.C.
501 S. Cherry St., Suite 500
Denver, CO 80246-1327
Phone # 303-320-1911
Fax # 303-320-1915
E-Mail: [email protected]
Web site: www.irwin-boesen.com
Being a paralegal and all, you might want to ensure proper spelling of company names before you file that suit.
BTW, to me, it's not a design defect as much as it is improper lubricant selection for the said engine. Notice that you don't hear about sludging issues on these engines in Europe, where strictly synthetic oil is used in them.
You have hurt something, likely causing a lot-of-miles worth of wear on the crankshaft and/or cams and tappets.
Yup, thats what happens when the bearing clearances open up.
At this point, I really suspect that you have a severe driving style and are using the normal OCIs, and have an engine that is completely unforgiving with respect to long OCIs when driven hard.
I suspect you have worn some of the components out, making the internals of the engine clean at this point is good money after bad.
UOA to look for coolant leak and see what the wear metals look like. His Audi dealer can sniff the coolant and the tail pipe to see if it is leaking. Presure test for head gasket leak etc....... 10,000 miles even on M1 0W40 wich is not my favorite oil seems unlikely if not for a mechanical issue. The oil sending unit should be removed and a seperate external oil presure guage used to determine actual oil presure.
It would be truly unlikely for an oil pump to have gone bad or sludge to have formed this soon on this engine with 10,000 miles OCI with a quality synthetic.
It would be truly unlikely for an oil pump to have gone bad or sludge to have formed this soon on this engine with 10,000 miles OCI with a quality synthetic.
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That may not be a problem. I assume the engine is not being flogged when cold, so there would be no noise. The 2.8 Audi engine has a raspy note on hard acceleration at certain RPM. The variable intake manifold is causing it and it may be a similar issue with the 1.8T.
"2.8 Audi engine has a raspy note"
I thought that was the condensation drain valve on the muffler, as per TSB.
I thought that was the condensation drain valve on the muffler, as per TSB.
!*!*!*! NEWS FLASH !*!*!*!
The 1.8T OCI recommended by VW/Audi is 5000 miles, not the 10k this 'enthusiast' has been running. I think there are several TSB on this issue.
Flat-out, he sludged/ruined his engine. It needs an engine rebuild, oil pump, new turbo and turbo oil lines.
It doesn't matter how spirited his driving was, what oil he was using or switched to, he just neglected his engine. As soon as he passed 5k w/o an oil change he sounded the engine's Death Knell. Continuing to drive with oil pressure problems is just asking for a $6000 repair bill to smack you up-side the head.
For once I can safely say the owner screwed up and VW is not to blame...other than the surprisingly small sump of this engine.
I just had to give my MIL a similar, but more courteous, explanation of driving (20 miles!) with an oil light on, this week end, as she virtually smoked the engine in the Accord I gave her 3 months ago...but that is another thread.
Do you have more info on these TSBs? I've only heard of Audi changing the oil requirements to meet the 502.00 norm, but I haven't heard anything about decreasing the OCI.
The 5k oci is with a vw 502 rated oil. I'm pretty sure the 10k was with a vw 503.01 rated oil, which the dealers were probably not using. Even with the right oil 10k would be stretching it with only a 3.7 quart sump.
Maybe the VWs are on the 5K OCI (I think my g/f's '01 Jetta is), but Audi maintenance guides still recommend 10K OCI (Audi pays for it, so they don't want you to have it done too often), just not with mineral oil, like they used to.
http://www.bentleypublishers.com/tech/audi/audi.2004.maintenance.sched.pdf
BTW, in Europe they're on 15K km OCI with regular synthetic or variable OCI with the long-life type oil.
http://www.bentleypublishers.com/tech/audi/audi.2004.maintenance.sched.pdf
BTW, in Europe they're on 15K km OCI with regular synthetic or variable OCI with the long-life type oil.
Which is 9K miles.
But in a different vein, why don't Europeans use megameter (Mm) instead of K Km as in 10K kilometers (which is 10 Mega meters)?
Mitch, LOL! That's a good question.
QP,
Only the A4 and Passats with the 3.7 qt sump and longitudinally mounted engine are directly affected by the 5k OCI's. The TT with the transversely mounted engine and the 4.8 qt sump stays @ 10k intervals.
I actually see no technical reason why the Golf,Jetta and NB couldn't do 10k OCI's, as they weigh less and hold about 4.5 qts.
BTW, the new 2.0L, direct injection engine holds a full 6L of oil, so the issue has been addressed.
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Only the A4 and Passats with the 3.7 qt sump and longitudinally mounted engine are directly affected by the 5k OCI's. The TT with the transversely mounted engine and the 4.8 qt sump stays @ 10k intervals.
I actually see no technical reason why the Golf,Jetta and NB couldn't do 10k OCI's, as they weigh less and hold about 4.5 qts.
BTW, the new 2.0L, direct injection engine holds a full 6L of oil, so the issue has been addressed.
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TooSlick,
All I was saying (to Willy_G) is that Audi never issued a TSB to reduce the OCI from 10K to 5K on any of the Audis. At least no one on AudiWorld has heard of such a TSB, not even Audi technicians that lurk there.
All I was saying (to Willy_G) is that Audi never issued a TSB to reduce the OCI from 10K to 5K on any of the Audis. At least no one on AudiWorld has heard of such a TSB, not even Audi technicians that lurk there.
I have a 2002 and I got the letter from Audi changing the oil interval from 10K to 5K, it was a big deal on AudiWorld when it first came out, you guys need to do a search. I run 5K intervals with Mobil 1 0W40 and GC and never use any oil, the oil analysis come back showing maybe 6K max, I keepit at 5 and breath easier. Its a small sump, if it were a VW and mounted the other way its oil pan is bigger and 10K wouldn't be a problem. Use your heads, its a 35K car, do the il changes and it will run for 300K easy.
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