Silicon Valley Bank (SVB) Collapses

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So more data on how poorly run this bank was. They figured they didn't need a risk officer during the fastest fed hiking cycle in history. Unbelievable. The entire C suite should be prosecuted for fraud and gross negligence of their fiduciary duty. I know, never happen. One can dream.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nk-accused-prioritizing-diversity-issues.html
Once again the working class taxpayers will bail out the millionaire SVB depositors even though FDIC protection limits are clear as day. The likes of Mark Cuban will have it no other way. The financial elite in this country control things and you can bet their interests will be protected at our expense.

As I said in an earlier post, if the house of cards falls, do people like us with IRAs and 401Ks really think we will see any of our savings and investments, even if the accounts are less than $250K? We won't see a nickel but the likes of Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, and others will continue on unscathed.

I think it's safe to say that 95% of the Bitog forums members are "regular working class people". We're nothing more than peons for the financial elite.

Scott
 
Once again the working class taxpayers will bail out the millionaire SVB depositors even though FDIC protection limits are clear as day. The likes of Mark Cuban will have it no other way. The financial elite in this country control things and you can bet their interests will be protected at our expense.

As I said in an earlier post, if the house of cards falls, do people like us with IRAs and 401Ks really think we will see any of our savings and investments, even if the accounts are less than $250K? We won't see a nickel but the likes of Bill Gates, Mark Cuban, and others will continue on unscathed.

I think it's safe to say that 95% of the Bitog forums members are "regular working class people". We're nothing more than peons for the elite class.

Scott
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I don't really see an alternative. If big companies can't park their cash somewhere safe, then our economy will implode. Take an example corporation with 10,000 employees, making on average $1000 per week - so a paltry 52K per year. 10,000 x $2000 for a biweekly check is $20M. These companies need to be able to put this money somewhere to make payroll. Spreading it in $250K increments across 80 banks doesn't seem that plausible either.

If there was a better alternative then I am completely open to it. However our entire system is based on fractional reserve banking and fiat money - meaning its ONLY value is confidence in it. As soon as people are not confident, the US dollar goes to zero.

Rock meets hard place.
 
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I don't really see an alternative. If big companies can't park their cash somewhere safe, then our economy will implode. Take an example corporation with 10,000 employees, making on average $1000 per week - so a paltry 52K per year. 10,000 x $2000 for a biweekly check is $20M. These companies need to be able to put this money somewhere to make payroll. Spreading it in $250K increments across 80 banks doesn't seem that plausible either.

If there was a better alternative then I am completely open to it. However our entire system is based on fractional reserve banking and fiat money - meaning its ONLY value is confidence in it. As soon as people are not confident, the US dollar goes to zero.

Rock meets hard place.

This is a problem.

We're just shy of 200 poeple and our biweekly payroll would require 4 banks to cover it.

Thats just payroll.

This is not workable.
 
I'm not trying to be a Mark Cuban apologist, but he may have a point here. From what I understand, SVB had two areas where they screwed up. 10% of funds from depositors were loaned to startups. That should never have happened. The second area was a much larger amount of money was invested in 10 year mortgage backed securities. The value of 10 year securities drops significantly when interest rates go from 2.75% to 7% if they must be dumped before maturation because there is a run on the bank, especially if they must be sold at fire sale prices.
If the FDIC takes over, all depositors can probably be made whole (not just the $250k limits) with available funds if managed correctly and the vultures aren't allowed to swoop. Stock shareholders are going to lose all value regardless.
The bigger problem is that many, if not all, regional banks have invested in 10 year mortgage backed securities when interest rates were lower, and are at risk if there is a similar run on their banks. If the FDIC doesn't step up now, there could be a bank run the likes of which hasn't been seen since the great depression.
 
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I think it's safe to say that 95% of the Bitog forums members are "regular working class people". We're nothing more than peons for the financial elite.

Scott
I'm related to some "financial elites" and I agree. Most of the time they don't think about you at all and when they do all they see are "suckers who never learned to play the game." My wife's cousin's words...not mine.
 

Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen says U.S. government won’t bail out Silicon Valley Bank​


https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/12/tre...rnment-wont-bail-out-silicon-valley-bank.html
No bailout...it will be sold whole or chopped up and sold as pieces. SVB isn't a result of a systemic issue and its scope is nothing like the MBS/credit default swap fiasco of 2008 which would've really taken down the entire banking sector. This was a unique combination of 1. >90% of accounts have more than $250k; 2. A heavy bond position made worse by rising interest rates and taking a loss on devalued bonds they had to sell to cover deposits; 3. Moody's threatening to downgrade them. If depositors didn't get squirely they would've been fine but the run becomes a self-perpetuating event.
 
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I don't really see an alternative. If big companies can't park their cash somewhere safe, then our economy will implode. Take an example corporation with 10,000 employees, making on average $1000 per week - so a paltry 52K per year. 10,000 x $2000 for a biweekly check is $20M. These companies need to be able to put this money somewhere to make payroll. Spreading it in $250K increments across 80 banks doesn't seem that plausible either.

If there was a better alternative then I am completely open to it. However our entire system is based on fractional reserve banking and fiat money - meaning its ONLY value is confidence in it. As soon as people are not confident, the US dollar goes to zero.

Rock meets hard place.
I agree with your statement. But the system needs to be changed. Money for corporate payrolls should be protected, but money for things like investments should not be (above $250K).

It is my belief that money for payroll is money that was actually earned through the production of goods and services. Money made via investments - stocks, whatever....not so much. Large corporations play the stock market with their cash reserves as much as you and I. Should the money they put in the Wall Street casino be protected (beyond $250K)? I actually think corporate participation in the stock market should be limited. The financial magnitude of corporate money manipulates the stock market. Stock buy backs are a PERFECT example. Wall Street is a casino of special interests in a rigged system.

I grew up in an era where company stock was used to fund future developments and projects, things that would presumably pay off and make the company money at some point in the future. But now we have corporate leaders whose only emphasis is improving shareholder value, even if it comes at the expense of the long term health of the company. And when the company dies these executive suite dirtbags walk away with hundreds of millions of dollars for a year's worth of corporate pillage and destruction.

Our entire financial system is sick, totally perverted by selfish, myopic special interests by the financial elite. Whereas you and I invest for things like our retirement, corporations invest as a means to enrich the executive suite even though they clear cut the forest of working class people like us.

Scott
 
Tomorrow will be crucial. If there is no news about any movement from the big boys to take over the bank then things will go pear shaped very quickly.

So far I haven’t heard anything.
 
We're just shy of 200 poeple and our biweekly payroll would require 4 banks to cover it.
Spreading it in $250K increments across 80 banks doesn't seem that plausible either.

Doesn't this seem like a simple solution once you create software and achieve cooperation between multiple banks?

Having 10, 100, or 500 banks holding your money can be easily managed by a banking system and software that can deposit or withdraw a little from each account. It's like running a database or excel spread sheet. Doing this manually would be a PITA but a payroll company can make this happen no problem in my layman's view. I guess the red tape and legislation could be problematic. I can't be the first guy that has thought of this.

Tomorrow will be crucial. If there is no news about any movement from the big boys to take over the bank then things will go pear shaped very quickly.
Makes me wonder if Elon would want to buy the bank and connect it to Twitter somehow. I can see all these tech bros pulling their money out because Elon bought it though.
 
Reading that article closely indicates from both Yellen and Senator Mark Warner that the depositors will be taken care of, and the stockholders are going to come up empty handed. The headline is technically correct, but missleading.
There you go. Another example of the working class bailing out the financial elite. They will have it no other way. I wonder how many working class people there are who invested heavily in SVB, and are now going to be wiped out while multimillionaire depositors will walk away unscathed. It's going to happen.

When the impoverished working class taxpayer finally has enough they are going to explode into the faces of the financial elite like a coil bound spring escaping the grasp of a spring compressor.

Scott
 
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I don't disagree with the sentiment, but I don't really see an alternative. If big companies can't park their cash somewhere safe, then our economy will implode. Take an example corporation with 10,000 employees, making on average $1000 per week - so a paltry 52K per year. 10,000 x $2000 for a biweekly check is $20M. These companies need to be able to put this money somewhere to make payroll. Spreading it in $250K increments across 80 banks doesn't seem that plausible either.

If there was a better alternative then I am completely open to it. However our entire system is based on fractional reserve banking and fiat money - meaning its ONLY value is confidence in it. As soon as people are not confident, the US dollar goes to zero.

Rock meets hard place.
Of course. I am assuming you meant a safe place to put their money...
Well, people hate regulations until they get bit. This was preventable.
 
I'm related to some "financial elites" and I agree. Most of the time they don't think about you at all and when they do all they see are "suckers who never learned to play the game." My wife's cousin's words...not mine.
My parents had some lifetime friends who became extremely wealthy. They called the working class "the little people".

Scott
 
Having 10, 100, or 500 banks holding your money can be easily managed by a banking system and software that can deposit or withdraw a little from each account. It's like running a database or excel spread sheet. Doing this manually would be a PITA but a payroll company can make this happen no problem in my layman's view. I guess the red tape and legislation could be problematic. I can't be the first guy that has thought of this.
Exactly, this is one reason we have computers.

Scott
 
Of course. I am assuming you meant a safe place...
Well, people hate regulations until they get bit. This was preventable.
In general, I think we're past the idea that the market will "work it out". Long gone is the idea that the individual/company will do "what's right" because that is what's best in the long term. I don't think anyone could've imagined the magnitude of greed that exists today. These execs make decisions that are best for them, make enough money to never work again, and move on long before they ever take any blame. Regulations are needed for one thing - to attempt to contain greed. Not that it always works...
 
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