Should New Orleans be rebuilt?

[GROUCHO MARX]

The decent poor folks that we tend to ignore have surfaced.

These people are the product of the "Great Society".

These people have been told for decades that they were entitled to an education and opportunity, yet also told that they were victims and should not worry as society had a responsiblity to support them.

These people are products of an enormous government bureaucracy and political correctness run amok.

God help these people.

 

[Win]

Of course NO will be rebuilt.

They keep rebuilding Florida, don't they?

A thin peninsula surrounded by very warm water on three sides - doesn't take much smarts to figure out that's a lousy place to build permanent structures.

But time and time again, they rebuild it, just to get it all wiped out again.

Logic and smarts do not figure into these decisions.

 

[Gary Allan]

(this is against my better judgement ..but we're on a tight-rope here - we're only stretching our "line")


I don't like having to rebuild Florida every couple of years. Many of the homes are expensive beach front property that gets tax $$ to assist in the rebuild.

I DON'T PLAY ENVIRONMENTAL LOTTERY ..but I pay for it. It's not like there's some mandated relocation to these places (earth quake alley, tornado alley, hurricane alley, flood alley). Leave, move, don't go there.

..or take your lumps...

That rant being purged from my bowels ...

I feel bad for the suffering that this event has caused.

 

[Kestas]

Some facts about Florida coastline rebuilding after a disaster...

10% of the money comes from homeowners/insurance companies.
20% of the money comes from local government.
70% of the money comes from the Federal government (you and I).

Where is the disincentive to build on the coastline?

I'm tired of people spending my hard-earned money to subsidize somebody's picturesque coastal lifestyle. Gotta go, my blood pressure is rising....

 

[HardbodyLoyalist]

This entire thread is in bad taste.

Can we finish counting the bodies before people start complaining about what they consider inappropriate uses of "their" money?

 

[Amkeer]

Floridians pay huge insurance premiums to live on the water. Some homes on the water pay $5500 a year or more for insurance plus flood insurance which is another $1500 then they also add the Wind or coastal wind coverages. Some of these homes may never have a flood or damage since their is a 2% deductible per value that kicks in before insurance pays a dime if its hurricane related. On a $500,000 home thats $10 grand!

In 24 years of living in Florida we have never had an insurance claim for wind or flood so do the math. Who is making out here?????? It sure isn't the homeowners.

The last time I checked there is alot of metropolis thats located on major waterways that is vulnerable to hurricanes. One is Boston which is where I am originally from.

 

[Audi Junkie]

Look at the model from the biblical cities where they built on the ruins or the previous city, forming a "Tell". Dredge the river, take the fill for the "city". Lower the riverbed and raise the city foundations, the opposite of what the levees did over the years. Makes sense to me. You could also use the unsold inventories of all those non-European cars to fill in the "bowl".

 

[Tim]

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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
Look at the model from the biblical cities where they built on the ruins or the previous city, forming a "Tell". Dredge the river, take the fill for the "city". Lower the riverbed and raise the city foundations, the opposite of what the levees did over the years. Makes sense to me. You could also use the unsold inventories of all those non-European cars to fill in the "bowl".

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There you go! People were pretty smart 2000+ years ago.

 

[Big O Dave]

I think we ought to perpetuate the "risk free" society by forbidding people from living where they want if those places have a risk of natural disaster. This goes hand-in-hand with the philosophy of not taking responsibility for personal decisions that has created our litigiousness. When people won't take responsibility, and always have to blame someone else when things go wrong (and get compensation for it), the ultimate result is a curtailing of individual rights because it's too expensive to let people do whatever they want if they are unwilling to pay the price for their choices.

There is no free lunch!

 

[Drew99GT]

The area currently occupied by New Orleans will be Gulf of Mexico in 100 years. Katrina took out miles of delta deposition and estuaries. More tropical cyclones will do the same and the sea level is rising. It's only a matter of time.

 

[Gary Allan]

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I think we ought to perpetuate the "risk free" society by forbidding people from living where they want if those places have a risk of natural disaster.

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Well ...I wouldn't put it that way. I'd say live where ever you want ..but accept the risk and bear that burden of that decision upon your back ...and not mine.

If I enjoy a vacation to Florida ..and my use of the wonderful sunshine state is so dear to me ..and you point out how it's an integral part of the economy (fill in whatever sound clip spin any politician would put on it) ..then you're taking my $$$ to provide that enviornment. You're getting your due. If you don't manage the revenue in a manner that sustains the environment ..what am I supposed to do ..give you your profit and party time ..and also insure that you're supposed to be able to do it again when you fall victim to circumstance that you didn't plan for???

 

[Big O Dave]

Gary, I was being sarcastic... I just know that we have ever-increasing restrictions on freedom caused by those who aren't willing to accept the responsibility for their own choices.

A good example is dirt-biking. When I was a kid, many of my peers in my neighborhood had dirt bikes, and we would ride all around the hills on various trails and on vacant lots. No one really cared until one of the kids crashed and hurt himself pretty badly, and his parents sued the landowner for not doing a better job of keeping us out. The response? Mega fences, and no more local dirt-biking.

This same mentality will eventually lead to curtailing where people live.

 

[Gary Allan]

Gary, I was being sarcastic...


..and I was ranting

 

[Big O Dave]

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Originally posted by Gary Allan:

..and I was ranting

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[Forkman]

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Originally posted by Bryanccfshr:
Does anyone think those poor people who did not have insurance would have a place to stay in a rebuilt NO??
They can't and will not. They have no money, they have no insurance and they have no means to start a home in a city with no economy in the forseeable future. These people have homes that are handed down through generations. They have nothing. No education and nothing but the garantee of assistance due to there income levels. THe rest of the country will have to absorb them.

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The governor of Iowa has already put out the message that "We have housing and job opportunties for those displaced by Katrina".

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Vilsack Tells Hurricane Refugees Iowa Has Home For Them

POSTED: 6:28 pm CDT September 1, 2005
UPDATED: 6:34 pm CDT September 1, 2005

DES MOINES, Iowa -- Gov. Tom Vilsack put out the word Thursday to refugees from Hurricane Katrina: Iowa has a place for you.

Vilsack's office released a statement listing immediate housing for thousands of families.

The disaster relief inventory he asked state agencies to prepare includes boats and motors from the Department of Natural Resources and wheelchairs and walkers from the Iowa Veterans Home.

It also includes dump trucks from the Department of Transportation and computers, cell phones, generators and furniture from the Department of Corrections.

Added to the list is crisis counseling from the Department of Human Services and curators from the Department of Cultural Affairs.

Vilsack said the state is coordinating with federal officials to provide assistance requested by Alabama, Florida, Mississippi and Louisiana.

A team of 30 doctors, nurses and paramedics from the Department of Public Health is also headed to Louisiana for two weeks.

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Vilsack Announces Plans To Aid Victims Of Katrina

POSTED: 7:47 am CDT September 3, 2005
UPDATED: 7:49 am CDT September 3, 2005

MOUNT PLEASANT, Iowa -- Gov. Tom Vilsack has put out the welcome mat for victims of Hurricane Katrina.

He said Friday that preparations have been made to help up to 5,000 Gulf Coast residents relocate to Iowa.

Vilsack said state officials, working with the Red Cross, will offer housing assistance, food and clothing to victims who decide to come to Iowa. The first wave of storm victims could arrive as early as Saturday.

Federal emergency officials will begin flying hurricane victims into airport hubs and move out from there.

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He also sent an email to all state employees (which I am) asking if any would be willing to volunteer to be deployed to the Gulf Coast area to help out for a couple of months or longer. I'd repost the email in its entirety, but that could get me in trouble.

I'm thinking of volunteering for a month of service down there. Seeing as that I work in corrections I could help provide security. Also with my background in public relations and computers, I'd like to lend a hand in those areas as well.