Should I trade or Keep?

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I have a 2008 Outback 2.5i with 47k miles on the clock with $6k left to pay off. I have been getting the urge to trade into a Honda CR-Z. It's the new hybrid/sports car from Honda. I've already looked at what insurance would be, which resulted in a $300 increase.

This whole thought process is stemming from gas spikes and my previous positive experiences with Honda.


Subaru has been great with warranty, but I'm afraid of the head gasket problem. The valve cover gaskets are already beginning to leak some oil, which is an easy fix, but still a hassle. I purchased the 6yr 80k mile warranty through Subaru, which has a little ways to go before it runs out.

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Easy answer is to keep. You are the type of person that makes used vehicles affordable for the rest of us as you take the most depreciation by purchasing new vehicles every few years.
 
If you buy the Honda make sure it's a stick shift.
I think they make great cars but I'm not impressed with their automatic transmissions.
I agree that your selling at close to maximum depreciation point.
 
With a dash like that, I'd be disappointed every time I looked out the windshield that I wasn't weaving through the astroid belt...

I guess if you do alot of city driving the gas savings might help make up for your huge loss on the subaru, but not for a quite a few years. Also I think a Prius with some sway bars and sticky tires probably does everything(acceleration, handling, cargo, mileage) better than the CR-Z, except it doesn't look as good.
 
Originally Posted By: pbm
If you buy the Honda make sure it's a stick shift.
I think they make great cars but I'm not impressed with their automatic transmissions.
I agree that your selling at close to maximum depreciation point.


It will be M/T. I picked this hybrid because it's the only hybrid on the market to offer M/T. The rest are CVT.
 
Subarus hold their value ridiculously, at least in the snow belt.

I'd call some Honda dealers in PA and NJ and inquire about trading up there. Most Honda dealers would drool over a late model Subaru; it would complement their line up.
 
If you enjoy forever being in debt to your vehicle, then by all means trade. If you prefer to make financially bad decisions, then by all means trade. If your goal is to help keep autoworkers gainfully employed, then by all means trade. If you like helping the car salesperson put their children through college, then by all means trade.

Otherwise keep what you have, pay it off (soon) and bank that monthly payment for a few years. Your Subaru is only 3 years old and should last many more years. Even if you do have to invest in a major repair at some point in time, you'll still be finacially far ahead. And you'll enjoy the freedom of not making that monthly payment.
 
I like the CR-Z if you just need a simple but fun city car.

I wouldn't trade it in unless you're really nervous about being able to sell privately, or if the sales tax break (if your state does that) makes it worth it.

Honestly, if you have money socked away somewhere that you're going to use for the downpayment, why not just take a chunk of it and pay down some of the Subaru?
 
There are two habits that define people of high personal wealth according to a survey I read about a year ago.

1. They have very few electronic subscriptions for devices and services (cable tv, hand held gizmos, etc.)

2. They keep vehicles a long time, many for well over ten years. The hit from depreciation is HUGE in three years as is paying sales tax again on the next purchase.

The article went on to point out that most people with a net worth of one million dollars or more live quiet, non-consuming lives and are probably your neighbors.
 
I vote keep it.

While I have been through my fair share of cars, They were all high mile used cars. The VW is my first brand new car. I plan on keeping it for a loooooong time.


Your Subaru is a great car. It gets very nice MPG and has the added benefit of AWD. Being from DC, you cannot have forgotten all that snow this soon?!?!?!?!?

Keep and maintain it is my vote.
 
Originally Posted By: Boomer
There are two habits that define people of high personal wealth according to a survey I read about a year ago.

1. They have very few electronic subscriptions for devices and services (cable tv, hand held gizmos, etc.)

2. They keep vehicles a long time, many for well over ten years. The hit from depreciation is HUGE in three years as is paying sales tax again on the next purchase.

The article went on to point out that most people with a net worth of one million dollars or more live quiet, non-consuming lives and are probably your neighbors.


From a great book called "The Millionaire next Door" by Thomas Stanley and William Danko. Turns out that people who HAVE money aren't the ones who make a show of SPENDING money...among many other surprising insights into the habits of the wealthy.

Millionaires tend to buy domestic cars, pay cash, and drive them forever. They own modest houses. They stay married to the sam eperson their whole lives. They generally own their own businesses. They are more likely to buy Stafford suits at JC Penney and wear Timex watches than any other brands. They save a substantial percentage of their income.

How do you know if you're on track to become a millioniare? Take your age, multiply by your annual income, divide by 10. If your net worth is above that number, you're on track...

I know I've gone OT...but it figures into the question. Buy a new car every 3 years? Yikes! You're not following the path that millionaires take...Granted, that is a cool car, and I was impressed by it at the Richmond auto show...but I would keep. Definitely Keep...
 
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I think it's settled... I wont be trading the Subi in. I have been doing my maintenance on the Subi since the first free dealer oil change. Maintenance is very simple, it's just tedious to get to the sides of the motor because it's a boxer engine.

After looking at the CR-Z motor, I'm a little unsure of working on it myself. Oil seems easy to do, and I could use my left over Subi filters on it according to Purolators website.

The only issue, is the electrocution aspect. I've heard of people being fatally electrified by working on Hybrids.

Perhaps when gas hits $5 I will have to review this option again.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Boomer
There are two habits that define people of high personal wealth according to a survey I read about a year ago.

1. They have very few electronic subscriptions for devices and services (cable tv, hand held gizmos, etc.)

2. They keep vehicles a long time, many for well over ten years. The hit from depreciation is HUGE in three years as is paying sales tax again on the next purchase.

The article went on to point out that most people with a net worth of one million dollars or more live quiet, non-consuming lives and are probably your neighbors.


From a great book called "The Millionaire next Door" by Thomas Stanley and William Danko. Turns out that people who HAVE money aren't the ones who make a show of SPENDING money...among many other surprising insights into the habits of the wealthy.

Millionaires tend to buy domestic cars, pay cash, and drive them forever. They own modest houses. They stay married to the sam eperson their whole lives. They generally own their own businesses. They are more likely to buy Stafford suits at JC Penney and wear Timex watches than any other brands. They save a substantial percentage of their income.

How do you know if you're on track to become a millioniare? Take your age, multiply by your annual income, divide by 10. If your net worth is above that number, you're on track...

I know I've gone OT...but it figures into the question. Buy a new car every 3 years? Yikes! You're not following the path that millionaires take...Granted, that is a cool car, and I was impressed by it at the Richmond auto show...but I would keep. Definitely Keep...


I think you're on to something. I remember seeing an online article a few years back that covered what the 10 richest people in the world own. The third guy down on the list had a 15 year old Mazda B-Series pickup...mind you he was a billionaire. No $60K dually with 10 dead cows on the seats in his driveway. Warren Buffet had a 10 year old Town Car. While a TC is classy enough, after 10 years anyone with the means to own a car can buy one.

I'd be looking forward to not having payments. It gives you a lot of freedom with the vehicle. I can rag the [censored] out of my truck on a daily basis, I don't have to worry about a repo man coming, I don't have to have full coverage on it, etc. Basically, it's nice to have something that's fully yours.

I wouldn't worry too much about the head gaskets on the Subie. Plenty of these things are neglected and driven hard, and they still manage to start everyday. There's no guarantee of the Honda's reliability either. My dad bought a 2004 Civic Hybrid before the car had even docked in America. Always highway driven, always dealer maintained by the book. This car just loves grenading its CVT transmission. Honda replaced the first one under warranty, but now that one is developing a shudder just like the first one did. My dad is on his own when this one goes. His plan is to drive it until the trans goes out completely, then trade it. The Civic is paid for, so I guess he has the same view I do on paid for cars.
 
Reason I'm keeping my Buick for another long while before getting another car is it's been paid off for years, only gives up 6 mpg to our Fit in current use patterns, is plenty fast/nimble enough for my driving for work, and is easy/cheap to fix. Not having to pay for anything except gas/insurance/maintenance is a luxury in and of itself.

Payments really kill the total cost of ownership figure for a car.
 
Every review I have read/heard about the CR-Z is the same, it's not a very good sports car and it's not a very good hybrid.
 
Originally Posted By: oily boyd
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Should I trade or Keep?


If I keep, it will be trouble...

If I trade it will be double...



True!
 
You should never buy a car unless you paid off the previous one.
25mpg vs 40mpg payback is..... NEVER!
Add in insurance, sales tax, excise/property tax, interest, plus your new car payment, on top of your old car payment.... and you'll probably need $10 gallon to even consider it.
Even with $5 gas, you'll need minimally 100k, and probably closer to 200k, to break even.
 
Originally Posted By: unDummy
You should never buy a car unless you paid off the previous one.
25mpg vs 40mpg payback is..... NEVER!
Add in insurance, sales tax, excise/property tax, interest, plus your new car payment, on top of your old car payment.... and you'll probably need $10 gallon to even consider it.
Even with $5 gas, you'll need minimally 100k, and probably closer to 200k, to break even.






+1000

If only more people understood that the cost of fill ups is not everything, they would be in better financial situations, even driving a gas hog, but instead they purchase vehicle with as much forward thinking as a 3 year old, and then end up trading after 2-3 years to "save money" on fuel.
 
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