Ever since the first time I changed my oil, I've used Mobil 1 oil filters. I assumed that the extra filtration was reducing wear, not that its restriction was increasing it. The engine in question is a Ford 302 (small mains) that sees 5000 rpm max. Would I be better off with something like a Supertech or Motorcraft filter, and would the change necessitate a shorter OCI? I typically ran 8000+ on the Mobil 1 filter.
Should I not be using a Mobil 1 filter?
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I think this pretty well covers it.quote:
Originally posted by GSV:
There are at least 2 schools of thought on spin-on filtration. Those who advocate maximum filtration like the Mobil 1 and PureOne filters. Those who argue in favor of less restriction/more flow are willing to give up on stopping some of the 10 micron stuff in order to get lots of flow.
My mind has been skewed more towards the flow argument since finding this site.
If you remain in the max filtration camp the Mobil 1 is a great filter. If you like all the features of the Mobil 1 but want more flow try a K&N filter.
I have wondered if it would be advantagous to run a filter like the Mobil 1 occasionally. Perhaps in the summer months.
I'd say do some reading here and make up your own mind. (or try to)
Mobil1's efficiencies are based on 10 micron particles.
Bosch is 15 Microns
Supertech is supposedly is 20 micron yet Bosch an ST are supposed to be identical
I personally use the K&N-with its tank like construction and balance with very flow and good efficiency-I think it is the best.
palmerwmd Tell me about the filter you are using. I have the Nissan SR20DE Engine and I use a K&N Filter (HP 1010) It is the larger size put in the Nissan 3.5 V-6 and fits almost Nissans. How big is this filter you are using and what vehicle is it recommended for?? Maybe I can go bigger. Bigger is better
K&N is rated at 10-15 microns but is only 90%
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Originally posted by Al:
Originally posted by GSV:
I personally use the K&N-with its tank like construction and balance with very flow and good efficiency-I think it is the best.
[qb]palmerwmd Tell me about the filter you are using. I have the Nissan SR20DE Engine and I use a K&N Filter (HP 1010) It is the larger size put in the Nissan 3.5 V-6 and fits almost Nissans. How big is this filter you are using and what vehicle is it recommended for?? Maybe I can go bigger. Bigger is better
K&N is rated at 10-15 microns but is only 90%I use the OEM 60U00 for the VH45DE engine, new part number is 55Y00.
Someone I trust, has told me the ST 3600 is a direct replacement except with bigger volume and I have used it on a previous Q and it clearly fits properly.
Still ahve the OEM filter 60U00 they are getting hard to find and like I said are the OEM filter for high end/hi perf Nissan/Infinti's.
The Maxima filter (VQ30, am unsure about VQ35) is 55Y00 and therefore direct replacement.
Fred...
I'll have to check the ST 3600 out. Thanks.
The 3600 is an oversized option for the 3682Nissan and 3614Toyota filters.
This is a standard thread filter.
Newer(mid 90's switchover) Nissans switched to a metric thread.
Al, make sure that yours is standard before using the 3600. The 7317/6607 are metric.
I subscribe to the 'too much full flow filtration is not too good' train of thought. I've seen engines die quickly without oil pressure. I've seen engines run 200k+ using cheapo oil and cheapo filters. I'm guessing that having oil pressure is more important than filtering out something that might not cause enough wear anyway. Plus, all those restrictive filters probably spend more time in bypass at those higher revs that make driving fun. Which filter filters most of the time? the less or more restrictive one when considering bypass? Just something to think about.
I'll continue to use high quality synthetic oil + cheapo filters.
This is a standard thread filter.
Newer(mid 90's switchover) Nissans switched to a metric thread.
Al, make sure that yours is standard before using the 3600. The 7317/6607 are metric.
I subscribe to the 'too much full flow filtration is not too good' train of thought. I've seen engines die quickly without oil pressure. I've seen engines run 200k+ using cheapo oil and cheapo filters. I'm guessing that having oil pressure is more important than filtering out something that might not cause enough wear anyway. Plus, all those restrictive filters probably spend more time in bypass at those higher revs that make driving fun. Which filter filters most of the time? the less or more restrictive one when considering bypass? Just something to think about.
I'll continue to use high quality synthetic oil + cheapo filters.
Patman
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I think so too! I like the fact that it flows so well but yet still traps more than enough particles in the 10-20 micron range to keep things in check. And for anyone who has their filter in an area where it's susceptible to getting hit from road debris, this filter is built so strong that it would take a seriously large object to puncture it.
Thanks-it won't work
BTW just because the filter is bigger-oil pressure to the bearigs should be better.There is less pressure drop tru the filter. Just my opinion though.
you can find them at autozone.
I've been using Mobil 1 oil filters with excellent oil analysis results. I've given up on them because I think they've gotten too expensive. In my area they get $12. for an Mobil 1 filter. I've been cutting open filters these last few weeks and I like the WIX best of all the filters I've seen, so I'm trying that one now.
There are at least 2 schools of thought on spin-on filtration. Those who advocate maximum filtration like the Mobil 1 and PureOne filters. Those who argue in favor of less restriction/more flow are willing to give up on stopping some of the 10 micron stuff in order to get lots of flow.
My mind has been skewed more towards the flow argument since finding this site.
If you remain in the max filtration camp the Mobil 1 is a great filter. If you like all the features of the Mobil 1 but want more flow try a K&N filter.
I have wondered if it would be advantagous to run a filter like the Mobil 1 occasionally. Perhaps in the summer months.
I'd say do some reading here and make up your own mind. (or try to)
My mind has been skewed more towards the flow argument since finding this site.
If you remain in the max filtration camp the Mobil 1 is a great filter. If you like all the features of the Mobil 1 but want more flow try a K&N filter.
I have wondered if it would be advantagous to run a filter like the Mobil 1 occasionally. Perhaps in the summer months.
I'd say do some reading here and make up your own mind. (or try to)
My 32 valve all aluminum V8 sees 6500 rpm daily (it would see 7300 if my ECU wasn'y the wrong part upgrade , grrr).
Should I go with higher flow filter?
I currentyl use 60U00 OEM part number which was Nissan/Infinti's filter part for high end and/or performance applications.
This has been merged with the former "all others" part # 55Y00 I went and hoarded the 60U00.
aIn a year or so, I will run out of 60U00 to use andc the dealers only have 55Y00 in stcok now.
I ahve been thinking of going with MOBIL 1 ($13), Bosch ($6) or SUperTech ($2!).
I cannot imagine a $2 filter having the strong construction needed for hi revs.
But others here like it.
My Summer fill is Mobil 1 0w-40, my winter fill GC 0w-30.
Any thoughts to my somewhat rambling post?
Fred..: )
[ November 08, 2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: palmerwmd ]
Should I go with higher flow filter?
I currentyl use 60U00 OEM part number which was Nissan/Infinti's filter part for high end and/or performance applications.
This has been merged with the former "all others" part # 55Y00 I went and hoarded the 60U00.
aIn a year or so, I will run out of 60U00 to use andc the dealers only have 55Y00 in stcok now.
I ahve been thinking of going with MOBIL 1 ($13), Bosch ($6) or SUperTech ($2!).
I cannot imagine a $2 filter having the strong construction needed for hi revs.
But others here like it.
My Summer fill is Mobil 1 0w-40, my winter fill GC 0w-30.
Any thoughts to my somewhat rambling post?
Fred..: )
[ November 08, 2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: palmerwmd ]
Why not have both? Beer in one hand, and whiskey in the other, I mean. Oh wait....sorry, I think I meant both high filtration AND good flow. For most applications an oversize filter is available, so if you suspect a smaller filter (such as your Mobil 1) isn't flowing sufficiently well into the oil change cycle, try a larger filter of that same high-filtration brand (whichever brand you choose). The model-specific websites, clubs, and message boards will typically have somebody lurking around who can tell you this since they have the same car as you, and the Wix and Baldwin websites are great at revealing filter spec's that can then be cross-referenced to help find an oversize in just about any other brand. As for Mobil 1's, they're excellent filters (assuming they don't switch to the cheap bypass design anytime soon), but way, way overpriced for what you get. Their 10 micron media not only isn't unique anymore, but is starting to become the norm for many brands which cost half as much.
Hey there,
Well it sounds like the oversize filters give
a better flow of the oil and if you get a good
quality one then according to what you said you
can IN A SENSE get both. So, I could let's say
buy an oversized MOBIL 1 filter that would
provide good flow and filtration. If I were
to do the 3,000/3 month change then all should
be good. That is what it sounds like to me.
Anyone tell me different ?
Good info.
Slade
Because the filter looks bigger means nothing. It is known that some brands use the same internal media cartridge for multiple sized filters. Filter autopsy among several sizes in one brand is needed.
Also, what I meant was that micron filtration from designer filters is not necessarily better than not so micron filtration from store brand filters.
Only a quality psi gauge will determine if the larger/smaller/cheapo/boutique filter provides pressure drop or increase.
Only a used oil analysis will determine if the filter is filtering. There is no real other way to tell if a filter is sufficiently flowing throughout an oil change cycle.
Also, what I meant was that micron filtration from designer filters is not necessarily better than not so micron filtration from store brand filters.
Only a quality psi gauge will determine if the larger/smaller/cheapo/boutique filter provides pressure drop or increase.
Only a used oil analysis will determine if the filter is filtering. There is no real other way to tell if a filter is sufficiently flowing throughout an oil change cycle.
Full Tang,
In reply to your question a Motorcraft FL1-A, a Baldwin B2 or a Wix 51515 would be the best filters for your motor. All have the bypass at the thread end where it should be.
Dave
[ November 21, 2003, 04:28 AM: Message edited by: DavoNF ]
In reply to your question a Motorcraft FL1-A, a Baldwin B2 or a Wix 51515 would be the best filters for your motor. All have the bypass at the thread end where it should be.
Dave
[ November 21, 2003, 04:28 AM: Message edited by: DavoNF ]
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