Should automotive fuses to look this bad? (Subaru electrical issues)

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I've been dealing with some intermittent electrical problems on my 2015 Subaru WRX. The problems have only occurred in very cold weather (below -25°C).

The first problem was a DTC (P2146) related to the fuel injector circuit power supply, that would result in a crank no start. When this first happened several years ago, the battery was replaced and that seemed to fix the problem. This winter, it happened again with a new battery, a heated battery blanket, a battery charger, and very healthy battery voltage even in the coldest weather. I replaced the fuel injector relay and that seems to have fixed the problem.

I've had a similar problem with the headlights being disabled for several minutes after starting the engine, again in extreme cold. I can replicate the error message on the dash by removing one of the light fuses, so I'm going to replace the relay on that circuit (low beam circuit).

When testing the new fuel injector relay in the coldest weather of the year, I also had the accessory/heated seat circuit and the blower fan stop working for several minutes.

What I've noticed when removing fuses, is that the blades are pretty tarnished, and also have some "rainbow" discoloration.

Here are the fuses for the lighting and fuel injector circuits from the main fuse box in the engine bay. The others I've checked tend to look similar, even the fuses in the interior fuse box. The blades on the relays look much better.

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I thought that maybe they were getting hot from a poor connection, but then I checked the spare fuses that have never been used, located in the same fuse box. They have the same "rainbow" discoloration, despite never having been used, and a lot more corrosion as well. They yellow fuse below had significant resistance between the tarnished parts of the blades. All other fuses seem to have low contact resistance even with fairly light pressure, and they fit tightly in the fuse holders.

Spare Fuses:
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I don't really think that the fuses have been causing the issues I've been having, but I'm considering just replacing all of them with some quality fuses, spraying down all the connections with contact cleaner, and applying dielectric grease to the connections. I'll probably give the relay contacts the same treatment.

So, how likely are the fuses to be part of the problem? Was a bad batch of fuses used on this car?

Also, I'd appreciate if any Subaru or electrical gurus could chime in regarding these issues in general, and what other steps I should take. Troubleshooting in -30 degree weather is next to impossible, so I don't really mind throwing the parts cannon at this in preparation for next winter.
 
Use a pink pencil eraser to clean up the posts on those fuses. Then blast off the eraser residue with electrical cleaner.

The pencil eraser is very effective at cleaning tarnish on connector blades.
 
I've been dealing with some intermittent electrical problems on my 2015 Subaru WRX. The problems have only occurred in very cold weather (below -25°C).

The first problem was a DTC (P2146) related to the fuel injector circuit power supply, that would result in a crank no start. When this first happened several years ago, the battery was replaced and that seemed to fix the problem. This winter, it happened again with a new battery, a heated battery blanket, a battery charger, and very healthy battery voltage even in the coldest weather. I replaced the fuel injector relay and that seems to have fixed the problem.

I've had a similar problem with the headlights being disabled for several minutes after starting the engine, again in extreme cold. I can replicate the error message on the dash by removing one of the light fuses, so I'm going to replace the relay on that circuit (low beam circuit).

When testing the new fuel injector relay in the coldest weather of the year, I also had the accessory/heated seat circuit and the blower fan stop working for several minutes.

What I've noticed when removing fuses, is that the blades are pretty tarnished, and also have some "rainbow" discoloration.

Here are the fuses for the lighting and fuel injector circuits from the main fuse box in the engine bay. The others I've checked tend to look similar, even the fuses in the interior fuse box. The blades on the relays look much better.

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I thought that maybe they were getting hot from a poor connection, but then I checked the spare fuses that have never been used, located in the same fuse box. They have the same "rainbow" discoloration, despite never having been used, and a lot more corrosion as well. They yellow fuse below had significant resistance between the tarnished parts of the blades. All other fuses seem to have low contact resistance even with fairly light pressure, and they fit tightly in the fuse holders.

Spare Fuses:
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I don't really think that the fuses have been causing the issues I've been having, but I'm considering just replacing all of them with some quality fuses, spraying down all the connections with contact cleaner, and applying dielectric grease to the connections. I'll probably give the relay contacts the same treatment.

So, how likely are the fuses to be part of the problem? Was a bad batch of fuses used on this car?

Also, I'd appreciate if any Subaru or electrical gurus could chime in regarding these issues in general, and what other steps I should take. Troubleshooting in -30 degree weather is next to impossible, so I don't really mind throwing the parts cannon at this in preparation for next winter.
Use electronics cleaner not contact cleaner (I think they're different). Is there a tsb or recall for this issue? With various systems affected that is a problem. Have you tried to thoroughly clean the battery posts and seal them, might be worth a try.
 
That is normal. The fuse metal is silver plated zinc, so you are looking at actual silver which will form a gray tarnish, however the tarnish still has good electrical conductivity.

It is more important to examine the box for melted plastic and other evidence of heat around the fuse and relay sockets (and the harness plugs), which usually means that the metal contact has heated up enough to lose its spring temper. Such contacts will never make good contact and the whole box needs to be replaced.
 
Is there a tsb or recall for this issue? With various systems affected that is a problem. Have you tried to thoroughly clean the battery posts and seal them, might be worth a try.
I just looked through all the TSBs, and the only one that's related is for the blower motor. It's related to moisture in the motor, but it's supposed to cause blown fuses, which didn't happen in my case. I could hear the relay clicking even when the fan wasn't working though, so that should rule out the relay.

Just prior to the blower issue, I was running the blower at full speed in -35 degree weather without the engine running, in order to drop the battery voltage while stress testing the new injector relay. The blower didn't sound too healthy. Maybe that wasn't the best idea. I considered that maybe the battery drainage protection feature disabled the blower and accessory outlets, but according to the manual it only disables some of the lighting. I might just ignore the blower & accessory outlet issues unless they happen again.

It does seem like the issues should maybe have a single cause, but there isn't much commonality in terms of the power supplies or grounding points for all of these circuits.

The issues didn't all happen at once, so there's a good chance they aren't directly related. The injector and headlight issues have happened a couple of times before and were solved with a new battery. This is a common fix for these issues on Subarus, but I think in my case maybe the performance of the relays degraded enough to cause issues even with a strong battery.
 
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