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I hope this time there will be a restriction of ONE hand gun per person, and unless proven necessary for use a BAN on purchase of combat style rifles etc.

"Guns don't kill people...." statement is the most overused asinine statement ever!"
 
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I hope this time there will be a restriction of ONE hand gun per person, and unless proven necessary for use a BAN on purchase of combat style rifles etc.

"Guns don't kill people...." statement is the most overused asinine statement ever!"


Just how are you going to go about that?

One knife then too? One screwdriver? A screwdriver can kill as well.
 
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Nice thoughts something to read atleast twice .....thanks
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Why no mention of the problem of autism and aspergers ravaging our society? People with those disorders have sociopathic and even psychotic tendencies, compared to the well-adjusted. Laws should be in place to restrict them from having access to firearms.
 
I didn't mean to imply that all kids who are social morons and who are really smart are prone to mass murder! Just that the kids who are doing these recent mass shootings are. A myriad of outside and environmental factors create people. I could be wrong, but I think another factor to these shootings is somewhat broken homes. And a kid living with wealthy parents in a big mansion can be as broken a home as any, if the parents have their heads in the sand to the real problems their child has. Instead of embracing the fact that their child is different, many parents live in utter denial and try as hard as they can to force their child to be like everyone else. That is probably part of the problem.
 
screwdrivers and knives are the same as a Bushmaster rifle? I am sure the killer would have killed exactly the same number of Kids (20) and adults (6) in exactly the same amount of time with a knife or a screwdriver ...

Yeah RIGHT ! what a humorous comparison! LOL!
 
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I don't see much constructive thinking here. Gun owners aren't going to be able to convince gun control advocates ofthe important role an armed citizenry plays in prevention of tyranny and the anti-gun folks will never convince gun owners that relinquishing our liberty will result in more security. In fact, I think there's a Benjamin Franklin quote to this effect.

So, what are we Americans going to do? Here's an idea where I think we can all work together. Whatever your political position on guns, I think we can all agree that the problem here is inadequate security in our schools. Our young people are our most precious resource, more valuable than money or material things and yet we don't protect them from evil in this world. Since the pro-gun lobby is not going to get the school gun-free zone laws reversed which would allow qualified teachers, administrators and parents to carry in schools, perhaps we can all agree to make an investment in adequate, professional, armed security to protect our children. I am virulently anti-taxes because I believe our governments are too big, too wasteful, have too much money and power and interfere in our lives too much. However, I will agree to a property tax increase specifically for the purpose of providing the above described security. I believe a rational anti-gun person will agree on this course of action. If not, I'd like to see a better idea that will protect our children NOW.
 
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Originally Posted By: 97tbird
"Guns don't kill people...." statement is the most overused asinine statement ever!"


It's true, though. Without a person to use it, a gun - or any weapon - is nothing.

Properly utilized, common things like fertilizer and fuel can be far more deadly than any pistol or rifle. Just ask Timothy McVeigh.

The true horror is, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to prevent these kinds of attacks. If a nut decides he wants to kill a bunch of people, he'll find a way. All the laws and bans in the world won't stop it.
 
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
I hope this time there will be a restriction of ONE hand gun per person, and unless proven necessary for use a BAN on purchase of combat style rifles etc.



How ridiculous of a statement. (obvious you have no CLUE about firearms)

Since more people are injured and killed by vehicles I think only one vehicle per person. (We will forget about nothing in the BILL OF RIGHTS about motor vehicles unlike the Second amendment)

Just amazing how the antis come out in times like this (like they say... "Never waste an opportunity during a disaster" )

Sad. Very sad.
 
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Why no mention of the problem of autism and aspergers ravaging our society? People with those disorders have sociopathic and even psychotic tendencies


Total and utter horse manure. Some of them might, but as a group, nothing could be further from the truth. Autism does not in any way equal sociopath, anti-social (which is not the same thing as social anxiety) or psychopath. A failure to be diagnosed and a failure of people to do something about kids who deal with these problems and kids who are bullied is perhaps an environmental factor in some of them snapping, but just because a kid is extremely shy and high functioning autistic in no way means he/she will be a mass murder. If the kid who shot up the kindergarten is as smart as the media is saying, he's smart enough to know he made the decision to kill and end up burning in [censored] for eternity.
 
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Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
If a nut decides he wants to kill a bunch of people, he'll find a way. All the laws and bans in the world won't stop it.



+1000

Thank you for some common sense.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
I didn't mean to imply that all kids who are social morons and who are really smart are prone to mass murder! Just that the kids who are doing these recent mass shootings are. A myriad of outside and environmental factors create people. I could be wrong, but I think another factor to these shootings is somewhat broken homes. And a kid living with wealthy parents in a big mansion can be as broken a home as any, if the parents have their heads in the sand to the real problems their child has. Instead of embracing the fact that their child is different, many parents live in utter denial and try as hard as they can to force their child to be like everyone else. That is probably part of the problem.


Don't worry, I didn't take your post as implying that at all. I was in agreement with you for the most part, I just wanted to add my perspective, since I grew up with it, like you did.

And your comments here reinforce mine about the role of the parental unit ultimately playing a key role in determining the fate of these often brilliant but misunderstood children. You cannot force "normal" upon a child who is anything but. Rather, the fact that they are exceptional should be embraced and nurtured, but this is so often not the case. This is a serious issue in today's society.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Why no mention of the problem of autism and aspergers ravaging our society? People with those disorders have sociopathic and even psychotic tendencies


Total and utter horse manure. Some of them might, but as a group, nothing could be further from the truth. Autism does not in any way equal sociopath, anti-social (which is not the same thing as social anxiety) or psychopath. A failure to be diagnosed and a failure of people to do something about kids who deal with these problems and kids who are bullied is perhaps an environmental factor in some of them snapping, but just because a kid is extremely shy and high functioning autistic in no way means he/she will be a mass murder. If the kid is as smart as the media is saying, is smart enough to know he made the decision to kill and end up burning for eternity.


I've done a lot of research on Autism Spectrum Disorder and Aspergers - it's out there, plain as day, that they lack the human trait known as empathy. The criminally insane also lack empathy. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of crims in prison have undiagnosed autistic tendencies.
 
People killed by vehicles are accidents - not result of a PURPOSEFUL, pre-meditated act by a person USING the guns to kill! why do people keep comparing a planned massacre like in Newtown using 3 fire arms by a person (NOT an accident) to motor vehicle accidents? there's no difference between a car and a gun used as a weapon??

mind-boggling!
 
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Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Here is an interesting study on media violence and children.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081119122632.htm

Good article. What do you think about the generation of young men who were raised on violent XBOX video games such as Call of Duty? They're ultra-realistic and serve to hone their skills for their murderous craft.


I grew up playing Rise of the Triad, Doom, Doom II, Quake, Wolfenstein....etc. Yet I didn't go on any wild and crazy killing sprees and I am confident that these games had absolutely ZERO bearing on my development. Family is a FAR more important thing to focus on here. That's where the true guidance (or the lack thereof) comes from.
 
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
People killed by vehicles are accidents - not result of a PURPOSEFUL, pre-meditated act by a person USING the guns to kill! why do people keep comparing a planned massacre like in Newtown using 3 fire arms by a person (NOT an accident) to motor vehicle accidents? there's no difference between a car and a gun used as a weapon??

mind-boggling!


Here is one of your "accidents"

Found in 30 seconds. I could take longer but why waste my time with close minds?
 
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Our young people are our most precious resource, more valuable than money or material things and yet we don't protect them from evil in this world.


^this

As a society, we should be making sure that our children are safe from monsters, and given the best start, safety and education that we can afford...and we seem to be able to afford a lot of other stuff
 
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