Shooting at Connecticut Elementary School

[L_Sludger]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Here is an interesting study on media violence and children.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081119122632.htm

Good article. What do you think about the generation of young men who were raised on violent XBOX video games such as Call of Duty? They're ultra-realistic and serve to hone their skills for their murderous craft.


I grew up playing Rise of the Triad, Doom, Doom II, Quake, Wolfenstein....etc. Yet I didn't go on any wild and crazy killing sprees and I am confident that these games had absolutely ZERO bearing on my development. Family is a FAR more important thing to focus on here. That's where the true guidance (or the lack thereof) comes from.

I'm specifically naming Call of Duty, not Wolfenstein 3d or Doom II. Those games were mere fantasy and not at all realistic.

Call of Duty is extremely detailed and shows the real-world operation of weapons civilians (currently) have access to; this is a big problem that parents may not realize, that their children may be desensitized to violence. Kids as young as 5 are playing that game!


You made a good point about family. Apparently this kid had none, he came from a broken home and his guardian, his mother, was apperently a barfly.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Here is an interesting study on media violence and children.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081119122632.htm

Good article. What do you think about the generation of young men who were raised on violent XBOX video games such as Call of Duty? They're ultra-realistic and serve to hone their skills for their murderous craft.


I grew up playing Rise of the Triad, Doom, Doom II, Quake, Wolfenstein....etc. Yet I didn't go on any wild and crazy killing sprees and I am confident that these games had absolutely ZERO bearing on my development. Family is a FAR more important thing to focus on here. That's where the true guidance (or the lack thereof) comes from.


But Chris the reason why you have not done anything is because where you live. If you lived 500 miles further south then we would need to look at you in a different light.

Wonder if other mass murders played Video Games? (which BTW I never did since there was none when I grew up)

Better go check into Charles Manson and Jim Jones backgrounds.

 

[GMBoy]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
I'd just like to say that I'm proud that we BITOG folks have been able to respectfully (mostly anyhow) carry on this thread and not have it locked yet!

I am keeping my mouth shut because I am a STRONG pro gun advocate and very educated on the issue...I can shut up a liberal gun grabber in less than a minute with FACTS. But on here I will get a time out and I don't want to be the reason for this thread to be locked.


Sounds like you've never had this discussion with anyone who was especially bright or clever.


That's true..liberals and gun banners are not bright or clever.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Here is an interesting study on media violence and children.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081119122632.htm

Good article. What do you think about the generation of young men who were raised on violent XBOX video games such as Call of Duty? They're ultra-realistic and serve to hone their skills for their murderous craft.


I grew up playing Rise of the Triad, Doom, Doom II, Quake, Wolfenstein....etc. Yet I didn't go on any wild and crazy killing sprees and I am confident that these games had absolutely ZERO bearing on my development. Family is a FAR more important thing to focus on here. That's where the true guidance (or the lack thereof) comes from.

I'm specifically naming Call of Duty, not Wolfenstein 3d or Doom II. Those games were mere fantasy and not at all realistic.

Call of Duty is extremely detailed and shows the real-world operation of weapons civilians (currently) have access to; this is a big problem that parents may not realize, that their children may be desensitized to violence. Kids as young as 5 are playing that game!


You made a good point about family. Apparently this kid had none, he came from a broken home and his guardian, his mother, was apperently a barfly.


Oh, I'm pretty familiar with CoD, I own Modern Warfare 2 and 3

and I have the hardware to run them maxed out too... for the ultimate detail. Yet I still don't feel myself being desensitized to violence.....

mind you I'm 32 years old, which likely is a key factor here. I think letting a 5 year old play the game is careless. But I would still be careful in assigning any sort of "blame" to video games, as I think violence desensitization is a symptom of a much larger problem that revolves around the devolution of our communication with the shift to digital and text-based media that allow things to be said without the potential repercussions and emotional cues associated with face-to-face discussion. Everything is "detached".

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Here is an interesting study on media violence and children.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/11/081119122632.htm

Good article. What do you think about the generation of young men who were raised on violent XBOX video games such as Call of Duty? They're ultra-realistic and serve to hone their skills for their murderous craft.


I grew up playing Rise of the Triad, Doom, Doom II, Quake, Wolfenstein....etc. Yet I didn't go on any wild and crazy killing sprees and I am confident that these games had absolutely ZERO bearing on my development. Family is a FAR more important thing to focus on here. That's where the true guidance (or the lack thereof) comes from.


But Chris the reason why you have not done anything is because where you live. If you lived 500 miles further south then we would need to look at you in a different light.

Wonder if other mass murders played Video Games? (which BTW I never did since there was none when I grew up)

Better go check into Charles Manson and Jim Jones backgrounds.


Well done sir!

 

[Drew99GT]

Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: L_Sludger
Why no mention of the problem of autism and aspergers ravaging our society? People with those disorders have sociopathic and even psychotic tendencies


Total and utter horse manure. Some of them might, but as a group, nothing could be further from the truth. Autism does not in any way equal sociopath, anti-social (which is not the same thing as social anxiety) or psychopath. A failure to be diagnosed and a failure of people to do something about kids who deal with these problems and kids who are bullied is perhaps an environmental factor in some of them snapping, but just because a kid is extremely shy and high functioning autistic in no way means he/she will be a mass murder. If the kid is as smart as the media is saying, is smart enough to know he made the decision to kill and end up burning for eternity.


I've done a lot of research on Autism Spectrum Disorder and Aspergers - it's out there, plain as day, that they lack the human trait known as empathy. The criminally insane also lack empathy. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of crims in prison have undiagnosed autistic tendencies.


You're a truly evil person if you think people with autism are equal to the "criminally insane". The criminally insane are criminally insane.

Saying you've done a lot of research and then saying "I wouldn't be surprised" if lots of crime is done by people with autism is the antithesis of objectivity on the subject.

http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/03/18/shocking-news-from-danish-autism-epidemiolgists/

http://autismcrisis.blogspot.com/2010/10/are-autistic-people-natural-born.html

http://www.jaapl.org/content/40/2/177.full.pdf

 

[buster]

Do we really want to live in a world where everyone is walking around with guns? How does that solve anything? I'm curious. I don't know, these events have always happened. There probably isn't much you can do. Some think culture change is essential.

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: buster
Do we really want to live in a world where everyone is walking around with guns? How does that solve anything? I'm curious. I don't know, these events have always happened. There probably isn't much you can do. Some think culture change is essential.


I do. We have a quite a few folks who do and yet our crime rate is one of the lowest in the USA.

And we have one of the highest weapons per person count.

Wonder how we survive?? In fact this year so far is the lowest since 1979 for murders in the state. Of course we still have 16 days to go..

Bill

 

[buster]

^ I'm not convinced it works.

 

[97tbird]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
People killed by vehicles are accidents - not result of a PURPOSEFUL, pre-meditated act by a person USING the guns to kill! why do people keep comparing a planned massacre like in Newtown using 3 fire arms by a person (NOT an accident) to motor vehicle accidents? there's no difference between a car and a gun used as a weapon??

mind-boggling!


Here is one of your "accidents"

Found in 30 seconds. I could take longer but why waste my time with close minds?


So due to that example (or however many you can find) you really think vehicles used AS A WEAPON equals the same amount of times GUNS ARE USED AS A WEAPON to murder people in the US? number of people killed on PURPOSE by a car is the same as number of people killed with GUNS? Are you serious? I am the one who has a close mind?

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: 97tbird
People killed by vehicles are accidents - not result of a PURPOSEFUL, pre-meditated act by a person USING the guns to kill! why do people keep comparing a planned massacre like in Newtown using 3 fire arms by a person (NOT an accident) to motor vehicle accidents? there's no difference between a car and a gun used as a weapon??

mind-boggling!


Yes, no one has ever used a car as a weapon.

One local story that I recall off the top of my head, where a mentally deranged wife did just that to try and kill her husband, refutes your assertion.



I'm sure the Planes that were hijacked on 9/11 and crashed into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, and a field, killing thousands, were merely accidents too.


As you said: mind-boggling!

 

[Bill in Utah]

Originally Posted By: buster
^ I'm not convinced it works.


Yet it DOES.

Year after year.

The one time we had a shooter was it a on duty cop that STOPPED the shooting? Nope. Someone (happened to be a off duty cop) with a gun stopped him DEAD. (the only way these situations should end IMO)

Can't argue with the facts. I have NO problem with someone not wanting to deal with firearms. But don't mess with mine.

Bill

 

[eljefino]

I'd like to know more about this guy's mental disorder. If it's a situation where he was normal the day before and only had eight hours to premeditate, he had to think about where he could get guns "that day". So he ripped them off from a family member.

If he couldn't get his hands on the guns, would he have made a fertilizer bomb? Would it have been as effective? Would he have waited a couple days to find a gun (if it were harder to do) during which time he could have snapped out of his funk?

 

[buster]

Bill, I posted some interesting data. Take a look at it. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just not convinced increasing the amount of guns in society will improve the situation in the long run.

 

[Pablo]

http://thegunwire.com/blog/youtube-video...carrier-oregon/

 

[antiqueshell]

Originally Posted By: Loobed

In May of this year I posted about a new group of thugs called ANTIFA.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post2617532

The shooter was a an ANTIFA member. Notice his political views are Anarchy and Communism (underlined in RED). The same as ANTIFA.

The shooter in Aurora Colorado was a member of ANTIFA.

I am fairly certain that Laughner was also ANTIFA.

Manchurian candidates?

reminds me of Al Ciaduh, Zionist Brotherhood, ect...fronting for the globalist new world order.For those of you that say it isn't real or the elite's goal look at what Henry Kissinger, Bush 41, and many others around the world are calling for...."A New World Order"....

Think Hegelian Dialectic.

Problem, reaction, solution.

 

[Shannow]

buster,
not to be argumentative, but when guns in homes were significantly reduced in Oz (which Rupert twittered on last night), it was reported that firearm homicides dropped markedly. They failed to be clear on the major decrease was in suicides, where people chose another method of offing themselves, and the overall rate didn't change.

What DID change 'though was the number of home invasions. Monsters realised they had less chance of finding an armed home-owner, and were therefore happy to break in while they were at home (our burglary last year, we were home asleep)...some even torturing the residents to find the cash/jewels/car keys.

 

[02SE]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: buster
^ I'm not convinced it works.


Yet it DOES.

Year after year.

The one time we had a shooter was it a on duty cop that STOPPED the shooting? Nope. Someone (happened to be a off duty cop) with a gun stopped him DEAD. (the only way these situations should end IMO)

Can't argue with the facts. I have NO problem with someone not wanting to deal with firearms. But don't mess with mine.

Bill



Lets not forget that the shopping center the shooter targeted had prominent signs posted stating that guns were not allowed on the premises. Legally carried or not. Thus, guaranteeing a law-abiding citizenry patronizing the shopping center would be unarmed. A perfect target for a deranged lunatic.

Fortunately, as you said, there just happened to be an off-duty Cop there, having dinner. Or the death toll would've undoubtedly been much higher.

 

[saberz]

This was an absolutely horrible and needless act of violence. I can't fathom how it why someone can do that.

 

[97tbird]

Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: 97tbird
People killed by vehicles are accidents - not result of a PURPOSEFUL, pre-meditated act by a person USING the guns to kill! why do people keep comparing a planned massacre like in Newtown using 3 fire arms by a person (NOT an accident) to motor vehicle accidents? there's no difference between a car and a gun used as a weapon??

mind-boggling!


Yes, no one has ever used a car as a weapon.

As you said: mind-boggling!

all said was that GUNS which is a WEAPON primarily are used to KILL people (on purpose) a LOT more than (1000x times more probably if not more) CARS (a method of transportation primarily) are used to kill people ON PURPOSE!

If you are disputing that fact (if you're saying that cars and planes are used to KILL people ON PURPOSE as much as GUNS are used to purposefully kill people), that really IS mind-boggling