Shearing = shift quality degradation... ?
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Originally Posted By: racin4ds
Originally Posted By: Panos
That's also my conclusion after reading and hearing so many reporting shifting quality difference. At the same time , very few people I know or post here seem to use the motul brand.
Problem with Motul is cost and availability. I'd try it if it wasn't $20/quart and only at select bike shops.
motul 5100 cost me 7,5 euros per liter in 5 liter jug. That's about 10usd .7100 costs about 30% higher
Originally Posted By: Panos
That's also my conclusion after reading and hearing so many reporting shifting quality difference. At the same time , very few people I know or post here seem to use the motul brand.
Problem with Motul is cost and availability. I'd try it if it wasn't $20/quart and only at select bike shops.
motul 5100 cost me 7,5 euros per liter in 5 liter jug. That's about 10usd .7100 costs about 30% higher
Originally Posted By: SlipperyPete
The only two oils I have used that don't degrade shifting during an OCI are Motul 7100 and Maxima Extra 4. Rotella 15w40 has started out notchy in three bikes in which I have tried it.
See, now, I would think off of this (and other UOA) that the shift quality is mostly driven by shift technique and the total AW components in the oil blend.
Esters contribute to this end too, technically--even if they are the base stock (i.e. not add pack) in those.
The only two oils I have used that don't degrade shifting during an OCI are Motul 7100 and Maxima Extra 4. Rotella 15w40 has started out notchy in three bikes in which I have tried it.
See, now, I would think off of this (and other UOA) that the shift quality is mostly driven by shift technique and the total AW components in the oil blend.
Esters contribute to this end too, technically--even if they are the base stock (i.e. not add pack) in those.
Valvoline VR1 SAE 40. Monograde = no VII's = nothing to shear. It's a lifetime oil! But seriously, I overran one of my OCI's because I simply forgot about it due to shifting staying excellent.
However, it doesn't carry JASO MA/MA2 certification and I wouldn't advise trying to do a sub-freezing start with a sump full of it.
However, it doesn't carry JASO MA/MA2 certification and I wouldn't advise trying to do a sub-freezing start with a sump full of it.
Today I swapped out the RT6 for Valvoline 4T 20w50. I'll keep you posted on the shift quality and potential performance impact of a thicker oil.
I noticed something strange when warming the bike up with the RT6... I was watching the oil level window and noticed a considerable amount of froth/foam floating above the oil. To be fair, it's the first time I paid attention so any oil could be doing the same. Anyone notice that before?
I noticed something strange when warming the bike up with the RT6... I was watching the oil level window and noticed a considerable amount of froth/foam floating above the oil. To be fair, it's the first time I paid attention so any oil could be doing the same. Anyone notice that before?
A couple of hundred KMs with the 20w50. Best shifting of all oils used so far which include RT6, Rotella 15w40 (Triple T), and Suzuki OEM.
I did notice the 20cst when revving. I suspect some good ol' shearing to 15-16cst will take care of that
The engine is also quieter/smoother.
I did notice the 20cst when revving. I suspect some good ol' shearing to 15-16cst will take care of that
The engine is also quieter/smoother.
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
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Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
Dino/conventional.
The "4T" is the full synthetic Valvoline. Valvoline calls the conventional just "4 Stroke".
I've always used the conventional Valvoline M/C oil, but might try the full synthetic next oil change.
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
Dino/conventional.
The "4T" is the full synthetic Valvoline. Valvoline calls the conventional just "4 Stroke".
I've always used the conventional Valvoline M/C oil, but might try the full synthetic next oil change.
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
Originally Posted By: jeff78
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
That's what I did. I ordered online and had it shipped to the Walmart across the border. $4.44/quart.
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
That's what I did. I ordered online and had it shipped to the Walmart across the border. $4.44/quart.
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: jeff78
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
That's what I did. I ordered online and had it shipped to the Walmart across the border. $4.44/quart.
You can order on walmart.com and have it shipped to a store in Canada ??
Originally Posted By: jeff78
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
That's what I did. I ordered online and had it shipped to the Walmart across the border. $4.44/quart.
You can order on walmart.com and have it shipped to a store in Canada ??
Originally Posted By: Papa Bear
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: jeff78
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
That's what I did. I ordered online and had it shipped to the Walmart across the border. $4.44/quart.
You can order on walmart.com and have it shipped to a store in Canada ??
Shipped to a US store close by.
Originally Posted By: webfors
Originally Posted By: jeff78
Originally Posted By: Brian553
I assume thats the synthetic valvoline 4t 20w50?
Found some of that at Wal-Mart and picked up a quart, but now I can't find any more of it. I suspected that would be a great oil.
You can order it online and either have them ship to your home (free shipping over $35), or to your local Walmart for pickup.
That's what I did. I ordered online and had it shipped to the Walmart across the border. $4.44/quart.
You can order on walmart.com and have it shipped to a store in Canada ??
Shipped to a US store close by.
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