SHC Synthese Technology (Mobil 1 New Life 0W40)

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Originally Posted By: blank1
i have read different opinions in this thread..
as a conclusion is Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 pao or group 3?

XOM put out a document stating that M1 New Life 0W-40 contains Group 3. They even compared it's performance in several tests to the former version. It does better in some tests and worse in other tests compared to the former version. Multiple base oils are often used in M1 oils, so don't just think "it's a Group 3 oil".
 
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Originally Posted By: blank1
i have read different opinions in this thread..
as a conclusion is Mobil 1 New Life 0W40 pao or group 3?

XOM put out a document stating that M1 New Life 0W-40 contains Group 3. They even compared it's performance in several tests to the former version. It does better in some tests and worse in other tests compared to the former version. Multiple base oils are often used in M1 oils, so don't just think "it's a Group 3 oil".

This may have been discussed before but is M1 New Life 0W-40 labelled as "synthetic" in Germany? And if so I presume an oil need not be 100% PAO/GP V to be still allowed to be labelled a synthetic in that country.
 
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM

This may have been discussed before but is M1 New Life 0W-40 labelled as "synthetic" in Germany? And if so I presume an oil need not be 100% PAO/GP V to be still allowed to be labelled a synthetic in that country.

M1 0w-40 is no longer labelled as "fully synthetic" in Germany. German regulation on the subject still stands.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM

This may have been discussed before but is M1 New Life 0W-40 labelled as "synthetic" in Germany? And if so I presume an oil need not be 100% PAO/GP V to be still allowed to be labelled a synthetic in that country.

M1 0w-40 is no longer labelled as "fully synthetic" in Germany. German regulation on the subject still stands.

so this mean that is no longer a group iv oil?
 
Originally Posted By: blank1
so this mean that is no longer a group iv oil?

M1 oils are a mix of a number of different oil bases, so no, it's not all group IV.
 
Just to add to the discussion a little.

My wife's Clio Dci daily driver has been on a steady diet of Mobil 1 0w40 Turbo Diesel for about 60k miles. And has consumed very little oil having needed no top ups and just a small drop in oil level.

A recent change to Mobil 1 0w40 New Life has resulted in slightly quieter running on tickover.

Not sure if anybody can give a reason for this.

Sadly i mixed the drained oil with just under 9k miles on it with other used oil so no chance of a UOA. I shall do one for the New Life which will hopefully be helpful.

If any UK based forum users have access to Costco Mobil 1 TD and New Life is under £30 and I have been buying it at this price point( TD not NL) for over three years.

Much cheaper than Halfords at well over £50 and places like Eurocarparts again at over £50.
 
i am one "click" from ordering oil for my car and i havent decided yet?
one last question..
i am between motul xcess 5w-40 and mobil1 new life 0w-40
1.now that we cleared out that mobil new life isnt fullsynth..
what makes it better than motul xcess which is Group3+Group 4?
2.which do you think will "break" sooner and become thiner after 10.000kilometers?
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/52/8100%20X-cess%205W-40%20(GB).pdf?1323967709
http://xom.ee/files/279_glxxenpvlmomobil_1_new_life_0w-40.pdf
 
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Just to add to the discussion a little.

My wife's Clio Dci daily driver has been on a steady diet of Mobil 1 0w40 Turbo Diesel for about 60k miles. And has consumed very little oil having needed no top ups and just a small drop in oil level.

A recent change to Mobil 1 0w40 New Life has resulted in slightly quieter running on tickover.

Not sure if anybody can give a reason for this.


I think that Mobil 0w40 New Life and Turbo Diesel are exactly the same (same specifications, technical data are identical, same msds). I contacted Mobil any months ago subjecting the question and they answered saying that M1 0w40 Turbo Diesel was the same as the Mobil 1 New Life and that they created a new label for "any" future differentiation.

blank1 I would not consider the problem if the M1 is Group 3 or Group IV, Mobil 1 still remains an excellent oil.
 
Originally Posted By: blank1
i am one "click" from ordering oil for my car and i havent decided yet?
one last question..
i am between motul xcess 5w-40 and mobil1 new life 0w-40
1.now that we cleared out that mobil new life isnt fullsynth..
what makes it better than motul xcess which is Group3+Group 4?
2.which do you think will "break" sooner and become thiner after 10.000kilometers?
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/52/8100%20X-cess%205W-40%20(GB).pdf?1323967709
http://xom.ee/files/279_glxxenpvlmomobil_1_new_life_0w-40.pdf


I would go with Mobil1!
It does not matter is it G3 or G4. It is excellent oil!
 
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: blank1
i am one "click" from ordering oil for my car and i havent decided yet?
one last question..
i am between motul xcess 5w-40 and mobil1 new life 0w-40
1.now that we cleared out that mobil new life isnt fullsynth..
what makes it better than motul xcess which is Group3+Group 4?
2.which do you think will "break" sooner and become thiner after 10.000kilometers?
http://www.motul.com/system/product_descriptions/technical_data_sheets/52/8100%20X-cess%205W-40%20(GB).pdf?1323967709
http://xom.ee/files/279_glxxenpvlmomobil_1_new_life_0w-40.pdf


I would go with Mobil1!
It does not matter is it G3 or G4. It is excellent oil!

thanks
 
On page 41 of the PDF posted by Tom, it shows that this new 0W-40 oil is much better at dealing with the cam but somewhat worse at dealing with conrod bearings.

What property of the oil would give this kind of change?
 
Vincenzio f thinks that Mobil 1 0w40 Turbo Diesel and Mobil 1 0w40 New Life are in fact exactly the same.

Is anybody able to confirm or deny this.

I had 1/2 litre of Turbo Diesel left from last OC to use as top up but it was not needed, It seemed that both oils smelled different and certainly didn't appear to be the same oil.

Comments welcome.
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Vincenzio f thinks that Mobil 1 0w40 Turbo Diesel and Mobil 1 0w40 New Life are in fact exactly the same.

Is anybody able to confirm or deny this.

I remember comparing the specs of the two some years back and they were in fact identical. Whether that's still the case today, I don't know.
 
Must admit I am struggling to see a reason why Mobil would go to the expense of i.troducing a new brand to the UK. I think New Life is not reason in the US. When it is the same as Mobil 1 TD. This would infer that normal Mobil 1 0w40 is the same as TD.

I think i shall fire off an email to Mobil to confirm or deny any differences or indeed advantages.

Seems strange that the wifes car sounds slightly different on tickover compared to TD?
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Must admit I am struggling to see a reason why Mobil would go to the expense of i.troducing a new brand to the UK. I think New Life is not reason in the US. When it is the same as Mobil 1 TD. This would infer that normal Mobil 1 0w40 is the same as TD.

It's all a marketing game. Most customers won't buy an oil for their turbodiesel motor unless the oil says "turbodiesel" in big letters right on the label. On the other hand, most gasoline motor customers won't touch an oil that says "turbodiesel" on the label with a 10 foot pole. Instead of trying to change a long held perception in the market that the same oil can't possibly be good for two applications, ExxonMobil just created two different labels and called it a day.

Take a look at the current specs. They are once again identical:

http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_New_Life_0W-40.aspx

http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/EUXXENPVLMOMobil1_Turbo_Diesel_0W-40.aspx

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This would infer that normal Mobil 1 0w40 is the same as TD.

US-sold ("normal") M1 0w-40 is the same as your "New Life". I'm not sure why ExxonMobil came up with the "New Life" name in Europe. Possibly it's part of some larger marketing/positioning campaign that we here in the US are not aware of?
 
Thanks for that info.

Now if Anybody can figure out why my wifes diesel.Clio.is quieter on New Life than it was on TD I can sleep better.

Only thing I can think.is that the TD was perhaps an earlier formulation and was old stock?

The oil.filter is still Renault one.

No difference in economy, usual 60 mpg overall average.

But the very slight mechanical.rattling noise it has always made is now almost completely gone.

All my Mobil 1 oils are from same Costco.
 
Originally Posted By: bigjl
Now if Anybody can figure out why my wifes diesel.Clio.is quieter on New Life than it was on TD I can sleep better.

Are you comparing used TD to new New Life? Fresh oil will typically make an engine quieter than an oil that's been there for 5-10K miles.
 
There has never been a difference like this before, and have owned the car for over three years.

Perhaps it is a bit of placebo effect.

Though certainly the two oils smell different.

That is why I surmised that one may be a later formulation and thus has same specs but slightly different chemical construction, with the different make-up meeting the same specs but these slight differences conspire to make this specific engine quieter on tickover.

I did an OC on Pathfinder yesterday and went from Carlube (tetrosyl) oil to a top spec Castrol Edge FST, no change in noise or running, but two very different oils.

I have fired off an email to Mobil, if nothing else to confirm that I am not mad.

To be honest it is a very subtle change, but the very slight noise was always annoying, perhaps it was an injector rattle all along and it is just coincidence that it ceased at the same time.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav


IMHO Its a full blown con job based on stupid word games, make the product cheaper and charge the same money, then advertise it to make the fools thing they are getting a new and better product.


I'm fully agree with you. It is new name for old technology " SuperSyn"
 
Thx guys for the great inputs!
I will give a try for an older formulation called M1 0W40 Turbo Diesel.
Very difficult to get it in Hungary. I read some good reports about a fine add-pack in.
 
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