Seems that FRAM shifted all their oil filter lines.

[CDB]

Seems the old XG9972 is now the new Titanium filters which cost way more What are your thoughts on the new XG9972 on the right? I am not really impressed.

 

[JavierH19]

As long as it continues to filter well and not fail i can't complain. It's shrinkflation, same price lesser product but it's still better than oem at least.

 

[MrQuackers]

Supertech

 

[hrv]

 

[Hall]

I am not really impressed.

Based on what ?

 

[CarbonSteel]

FRAM Endurance?

 

[Rand]

I think @OVERKILL described the cheapening recently in a humorous fashion.

 

[fantastic]

The right one is simply a Champ XL w/Fram name on it. They rate them at 15,000 miles. Does the box say 20k?

 

[bullwinkle]

Is the one on the right wire backed? Or even spray-on synthetic? Looking like the First Brands race to the bottom continues… Hengst cartridges for me!

 

[CDB]

The right one is simply a Champ XL w/Fram name on it. They rate them at 15,000 miles. Does the box say 20k?

Yes says 20k. I looked at Fram's website and the XG9972 is now FS9972 Titanium. The new ones are a tad bit shorter as well.

 

[CDB]

Is the one on the right wire backed? Or even spray-on synthetic? Looking like the First Brands race to the bottom continues… Hengst cartridges for me!

No wire and media feels like paper. Nothing like the previous version so I will be returning them. Seems like all of them are going to the shorter smaller media.

 

[fantastic]

Yes says 20k. I looked at Fram's website and the XG9972 is now FS9972 Titanium. The new ones are a tad bit shorter as well.

I'm thinking the Champ XL's might have gotten a synthetic media bump to increase their mileage rating to 20,000 miles from 15k. Interesting.

 

[CDB]

Well my search will be to check boxes before I buy to get the older versions. May even change brands but I have about seven so I am good for a bit. I like the Wix ones but they tend to be more expensive than the $10. 29 for the XG9972 which I feel is not worth the money on the newer ones.

 

[bullwinkle]

I'm thinking the Champ XL's might have gotten a synthetic media bump to increase their mileage rating to 20,000 miles from 15k. Interesting.

Wouldn’t synthetic media need to be wire backed? Or at least “sprayed on”?? Looks like neither!

 

[fantastic]

Wouldn’t synthetic media need to be wire backed? Or at least “sprayed on”?? Looks like neither!

The 15k versions were just like a simple cellulose/synthetic blend media but this newer 20k version looks more "white" in color than the previous "yellowish" media. I've associated "white" to mean more synthetic media but I don't know. I've always been surprised how Champ rated their filters. They were not a premium looking filter but they rated them in mileage like they were LOL.

 

[bullwinkle]

As long as it continues to filter well and not fail i can't complain. It's shrinkflation, same price lesser product but it's still better than oem at least.

More like crapflation-not much better than a base Champ or Fram CH9972, for multiples more $.

 

[fantastic]

More like crapflation-not much better than a base Champ or Fram CH9972, for multiples more $.

This new version would be like a Fram CH9972 (10k) & Fram TG9972 (15k) had a baby. Not quite either or & not quite as nice looking like a Tough Guard. But they are rated for higher mileage than these filters (20k). In short it's a downgrade.

 

[Soft Cars]

I like the voluptuous pleats on the left better. I'm a voluptuous pleats type guy.

 

[CR94]

Is that new Ultra cartridge media the same as that of new spin-on Ultras? The Ultra 10358 cartridge I bought a few weeks ago has the old wire-backed synthetic media.

 

[hrv]