Second Particle Count OEM filter

[Gary Allan]

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This looks like the BOGUS (IMO) Pore Blockage Particle Count vs. the higher numbers that George has with what appears to be an Optical Particle Count. Check the sticky atop the Bypass filter section for my beef on the subject.

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Hey...thanks!

I thought something looked fishy when I first got the report. I even ran it past another BITOGer filter expert before I posted the results because of it.

I won't mention any names.

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It will have the same value in bogusivity factoring for the EaO.

 

[SWHeat]

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It will have the same value in bogusivity factoring for the EaO.

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Yes, it certainly will. One data point with mathematical conjecture for the other six.

I'll take my five data points over the one any day. Plus, the other lab is five bucks cheaper for a more complex procedure.

 

[427Z06]

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Yes, it certainly will. One data point with mathematical conjecture for the other six.

I'll take my five data points over the one any day. Plus, the other lab is five bucks cheaper for a more complex procedure.

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This will be like the third time kicking myself for buying pre-paids in quantity from the lab in question. Wish our culture would put more emphasis on honesty and integrity.

 

[427Z06]

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It will have the same value in bogusivity factoring for the EaO.

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Remember when I said that PC data looked like a form of the normal distribution? Now I know why...that's how they calculate the other values from the one actual measurement.

 

[SWHeat]

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It will have the same value in bogusivity factoring for the EaO.

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Remember when I said that PC data looked like a form of the normal distribution? Now I know why...that's how they calculate the other values from the one actual measurement.

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Yes, and here I thought you were just being too critical. You were right all along. Keep up the critiques as we all learn...one way or another.

 

[harry j]

Yes 427Z06, the oil was actually cleaner looking at oil change than a previously used oil filter. It is something that you just have to see for yourself.

 

[Winston]

Cleaner on the dipstick? Cleaner with an oil blotter test? How do you determine "cleaner"?

 

[harry j]

Winston,
Both blotter and on the dipstick. You just have to see it to believe it. I am trying to find a BITOGER in this area with a digital camera. I would go so far as to say, it is almost as clean as it was put in originally. Not quite mind you, but close.

 

[cmhj]

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Winston,
Both blotter and on the dipstick. You just have to see it to believe it.

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I've seen the same results, as previously mentioned.

Now with about 800 miles on the Amsoil filter with nearly 3K miles on the OC, 16.5K miles on the Vibe base engine, the color continues to lighten.

This is the first OC fill on group III. Was thinking of changing it around 4K miles due to the dino residue but I might let it go to 5K with what I'm seeing now.

I've been an active mechanic for over 35 years and find this simply amazing!

 

[harry j]

cmhj,
Looks like a bypass oil system setup is installed, but no, just a lowely Eao filter.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

EaO particle count at 1600 miles captured today, so should have results completed by week's end. That will be PC and spectro, so we will have a direct comparison of OEM filter vs. Amsoil EaO particle counts at 1500 miles +/-...
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[harry j]

I appreciate the effort George, more professional data on the Eao filter is welcome. How does the Synguard micro glass filter compare to the Eao?

 

[4esorselrahc]

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Until I saw it for myself (cleaner oil), I was sceptical.

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Cleaner oil?

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My EaO13 ain't making my oil any cleaner. It's getting darker with 2000miles on the filter. Believe me, the virgin oil is MUCH clearer than the stuff with 2000 miles on it.

 

[Gary Allan]

Some oils get darker by the nature of the additives. Heat activates some of them. I've had some oils that don't do it. My Agip PC synth is almost the color of water. It will lose its transparency after a while ..but it's not just darkening. There's obviously some suspended particles. This is something that can be improved with better filtration.

I'm anxiously awaiting the results from this short test here.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

Seconding Gary's response on oil visual appearance, that it is just about impossible to gauge contamination levels (unless one sees actual chunks and clunks of metal) for engine oils. I have seen very dark appearing oils return very high levels of cleanliness while very good, wonderfully clean appearing oils return very bad particle counts.. It can indeed be deceiving and much is related to the oil formulation and additization, as Gary has indicated.
My oil visually appears identical to its apperance with other oil filters. We shall soon see what the results indicate in black and white for the EaO vs. OEM..
George Morrison, STLE CLS

 

[harry j]

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Some oils get darker by the nature of the additives. Heat activates some of them. I've had some oils that don't do it. My Agip PC synth is almost the color of water. It will lose its transparency after a while ..but it's not just darkening. There's obviously some suspended particles. This is something that can be improved with better filtration.

I'm anxiously awaiting the results from this short test here.

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Good point Gary. When I used Mobil 1 oil, it would darken with only a few miles on it. I didn't like that fact, but what really turned me off was the increased upper engine noise.

 

[4esorselrahc]

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Seconding Gary's response on oil visual appearance, that it is just about impossible to gauge contamination levels (unless one sees actual chunks and clunks of metal) for engine oils. I have seen very dark appearing oils return very high levels of cleanliness while very good, wonderfully clean appearing oils return very bad particle counts.. It can indeed be deceiving and much is related to the oil formulation and additization, as Gary has indicated.
My oil visually appears identical to its apperance with other oil filters. We shall soon see what the results indicate in black and white for the EaO vs. OEM..
George Morrison, STLE CLS

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There, you see, you can teach an old dog a new trick.

I've always thought that the darkening of the oil was debris and contaminants, but the visual appearance isn't necessarily tied to the level of particulate contamination.I eagerly await your particle count comparison too George.

 

[GeorgeCLS]

As a teaser, gentlemen, my particle counts for the Amsoil EaO oil filter are nothing short of phenomenal! We are in the process of re-running the particle counts and should be able to post the results by end of day.. Moreover, it looks like the EaO is the end-all be-all for engine oil filtration...
From a lube engineer's perspective, I am thrilled when I can lower a particle count one or two ISO code numbers. Remembering that the reduciton of one ISO number lowers particles by 1/2, quite an achievement. To go from an 18/17/15 to a 14/13/10, well, Wow is all I can say. More to follow to include comparative oil analysis results......
George Morrison, STLE CLS
(NOT an Amsoil dealer/dist, never have been, may begin now, however, given these results)

 

[MADMIKE]

George--that's great. As far as the durability side of the equation, do you see any issues running them for the advertised 25,000 miles and 1 year under normal typical condition?

 

[GeorgeCLS]

Regarding a 25,000 mile filter life, a good question for which I do not have an answer. Certainly the EaO should provide considerable life extension vs. a paper element, but determining life is a function of many factors, such as how much particulate is being generated by that engine in what environmental conditions, etc.. Tough call..

All I *know* at this point is that the EaO is certainly the best oil filter I have ever used/tested on my Toyota Sequoia and has turned in the lowest particle counts for any engine I have run particle counts on, to include engines with by-pass filtration..
Rest of the comparative oil analysis to be posted later today, hopefully.
George Morrison, STLE CLS