Seafoam sludge flush before and after

Think we all read the same post.

I go paintballing. I send you a picture of my face. I then tell you a kid sprayed me with a hose, then send you a picture of my ankles and say "what's the prediction on how clean my face is?"

Is this useful information worthy of deliberation and discussion?
Your analogy is not analogous; a garden hose is not at all similar to a recirculating and shared sump of solvent.

I agree that the pics provided are not coherent or productive. But if you don’t find it worthy of discussion, you don’t have to. (Which brings us full circle: OP already has the information which your comment purports to convey.)
 
I bought this 2015 charger SE (133k miles) 8 months ago and have done regular and proper oil changes since. Took valve covers off for routine maintenance to discover this sludge fest (Pics 1-3).

I did 2 full Seafoam flushes with new oil running half a can into my crankcase idling for 20 minutes each. First flush came out pitch black. Second came out relatively clean. I don't want sludge buildup clogging valves so after the second I took the oil pan off to clean everything. After 2 Seafoam flushes (Pic 4), this is how clean my bottom of engine was. Oil pan was flawless. Darn near no metal, nothing abnormal for a car with 133k. Maybe 2-3 small "crumbs".

I then threw in 5qt valvo restore 1 qt MMO. Running that for about 200 miles and then checking valve covers.

What's the prediction with everyone on how dirty or clean the top will be still?

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No offense but this doesn't tell us anything because you didn't show the top end after the "treatment" nor did you show the bottom end before the "treatment".
 
Your analogy is not analogous; a garden hose is not at all similar to a recirculating and shared sump of solvent.

I agree that the pics provided are not coherent or productive. But if you don’t find it worthy of discussion, you don’t have to. (Which brings us full circle: OP already has the information which your comment purports to convey.)
What?
 
No offense but this doesn't tell us anything because you didn't show the top end after the "treatment" nor did you show the bottom end before the "treatment".
That's the point though. I asked for predictions haha. I'm not saying the engine is clean now. I'm saying "hey, bottom is end clean, think the top end will be better? Predict!"
 
Your analogy is not analogous; a garden hose is not at all similar to a recirculating and shared sump of solvent.

I agree that the pics provided are not coherent or productive. But if you don’t find it worthy of discussion, you don’t have to. (Which brings us full circle: OP already has the information which your comment purports to convey.)
We are not talking about the sump, which we only saw an after picture of. The valve cover area is cooler and has low (and incidental) oil flow through it, that's why it's an area ripe for varnish and sludge accumulation, as oil pools, cools, and generally isn't flowing through this area at a rate high enough to avoid precipitation of particulate in suspension if the DI package is sufficiently depleted. The oil that flows through this area is the byproduct of lubricating components in that area, the area is not directly lubricated.

The sump on the other hand, has oil rapidly flowing into it from all other parts of the engine and things like the pickup are submerged in a bath of constantly circulating oil. These are vastly different environments.

So, back to the paintball/hose analogy, if I send you a pic of my face (an area prone to accumulate splatter but not be directly hit) and then some kid hits me with a garden hose *you have no idea where* and then I send you a pic of my ankles, which may have been covered (clean) the entire time, what sort of conclusions can be drawn about the state of my face from my ankles being clean after and my face being dirty before with this hose episode in the middle?
 
I took this all to be a suspense builder and having us anticipate what the top end will show us once those after pics get posted. Patience fellas!

Second point, who needs vrp, ec30, etc when half a can of seafoam can do similar in low cost super tech synth? (If real world results verify it). I ask this while staring at my case of ec30 ...
 
That's the point though. I asked for predictions haha. I'm not saying the engine is clean now. I'm saying "hey, bottom is end clean, think the top end will be better? Predict!"

No. This is the maintenance section of this forum. Questions are asked for folks who need help. Not begging for attention.
 
And this does involve maintenance? This thread IS NOT specifically for people who need help, its broad for mechanical and maintenance. Nothing to do with begging for attention. Now being a condescending prick because you don't understand how a broad topic sub forum works and wrongfully calling out others? THAT is begging for attention.

So far you have ignored feedback, ignored questions about your methodology, and haven’t asked questions yourself. You tell me what you are trying to do here, it was easy for me to figure out. 🤷
 
I bought this 2015 charger SE (133k miles) 8 months ago and have done regular and proper oil changes since. Took valve covers off for routine maintenance to discover this sludge fest (Pics 1-3).

I did 2 full Seafoam flushes with new oil running half a can into my crankcase idling for 20 minutes each. First flush came out pitch black. Second came out relatively clean. I don't want sludge buildup clogging valves so after the second I took the oil pan off to clean everything. After 2 Seafoam flushes (Pic 4), this is how clean my bottom of engine was. Oil pan was flawless. Darn near no metal, nothing abnormal for a car with 133k. Maybe 2-3 small "crumbs".

I then threw in 5qt valvo restore 1 qt MMO. Running that for about 200 miles and then checking valve covers.

What's the prediction with everyone on how dirty or clean the top will be still?

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you ought to use Restore and Protect as Directed, and sell the pics to Valvoline in exchange for lifetime oil supply. Of course if it works as good as they say.
 
So you have "before" on the upper valve train and "after" on the lower end? How do you know what it did or did not do? Or am I missing the before and after somehow?
Thank you for concisely stating my thoughts. I was so confused I couldn't quite find the words.
 
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Ikw2000,

Thank you for posting pics. I think it was wise to pull the pan after the 2 runs of SF.

My guess... (nickel bet) there may be slight improvement up top, but not a drastic improvement

Anxiously awaiting those pics!
 
Would have liked to seen a before on the bottom half before the project started

But since you asked for predictions, I don’t think it will be much difference at only 200 miles. Running it for 2000-3000 miles and then looking might be better. Imagine all the hoopla it would cause if it did actually do a terrific job though
 
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