Then why make this post? It’s useless.Everybody needs to read the postOp acknowledged all this
Then why make this post? It’s useless.Everybody needs to read the postOp acknowledged all this
Your analogy is not analogous; a garden hose is not at all similar to a recirculating and shared sump of solvent.Think we all read the same post.
I go paintballing. I send you a picture of my face. I then tell you a kid sprayed me with a hose, then send you a picture of my ankles and say "what's the prediction on how clean my face is?"
Is this useful information worthy of deliberation and discussion?
I bought this 2015 charger SE (133k miles) 8 months ago and have done regular and proper oil changes since. Took valve covers off for routine maintenance to discover this sludge fest (Pics 1-3).
I did 2 full Seafoam flushes with new oil running half a can into my crankcase idling for 20 minutes each. First flush came out pitch black. Second came out relatively clean. I don't want sludge buildup clogging valves so after the second I took the oil pan off to clean everything. After 2 Seafoam flushes (Pic 4), this is how clean my bottom of engine was. Oil pan was flawless. Darn near no metal, nothing abnormal for a car with 133k. Maybe 2-3 small "crumbs".
I then threw in 5qt valvo restore 1 qt MMO. Running that for about 200 miles and then checking valve covers.
What's the prediction with everyone on how dirty or clean the top will be still?
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What?Your analogy is not analogous; a garden hose is not at all similar to a recirculating and shared sump of solvent.
I agree that the pics provided are not coherent or productive. But if you don’t find it worthy of discussion, you don’t have to. (Which brings us full circle: OP already has the information which your comment purports to convey.)
That's the point though. I asked for predictions haha. I'm not saying the engine is clean now. I'm saying "hey, bottom is end clean, think the top end will be better? Predict!"No offense but this doesn't tell us anything because you didn't show the top end after the "treatment" nor did you show the bottom end before the "treatment".
Haha.That's the point though. I asked for predictions haha. I'm not saying the engine is clean now. I'm saying "hey, bottom is end clean, think the top end will be better? Predict!"
We are not talking about the sump, which we only saw an after picture of. The valve cover area is cooler and has low (and incidental) oil flow through it, that's why it's an area ripe for varnish and sludge accumulation, as oil pools, cools, and generally isn't flowing through this area at a rate high enough to avoid precipitation of particulate in suspension if the DI package is sufficiently depleted. The oil that flows through this area is the byproduct of lubricating components in that area, the area is not directly lubricated.Your analogy is not analogous; a garden hose is not at all similar to a recirculating and shared sump of solvent.
I agree that the pics provided are not coherent or productive. But if you don’t find it worthy of discussion, you don’t have to. (Which brings us full circle: OP already has the information which your comment purports to convey.)
That's the point though. I asked for predictions haha. I'm not saying the engine is clean now. I'm saying "hey, bottom is end clean, think the top end will be better? Predict!"
And this does involve maintenance? This thread IS NOT specifically for people who need help, its broad for mechanical and maintenance. Nothing to do with begging for attention. Now being a condescending prick because you don't understand how a broad topic sub forum works and wrongfully calling out others? THAT is begging for attention.
you ought to use Restore and Protect as Directed, and sell the pics to Valvoline in exchange for lifetime oil supply. Of course if it works as good as they say.I bought this 2015 charger SE (133k miles) 8 months ago and have done regular and proper oil changes since. Took valve covers off for routine maintenance to discover this sludge fest (Pics 1-3).
I did 2 full Seafoam flushes with new oil running half a can into my crankcase idling for 20 minutes each. First flush came out pitch black. Second came out relatively clean. I don't want sludge buildup clogging valves so after the second I took the oil pan off to clean everything. After 2 Seafoam flushes (Pic 4), this is how clean my bottom of engine was. Oil pan was flawless. Darn near no metal, nothing abnormal for a car with 133k. Maybe 2-3 small "crumbs".
I then threw in 5qt valvo restore 1 qt MMO. Running that for about 200 miles and then checking valve covers.
What's the prediction with everyone on how dirty or clean the top will be still?
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Thank you for concisely stating my thoughts. I was so confused I couldn't quite find the words.So you have "before" on the upper valve train and "after" on the lower end? How do you know what it did or did not do? Or am I missing the before and after somehow?
Ya I bet that but still. Take off that cover !!!!. LolThat's the point though. I asked for predictions haha. I'm not saying the engine is clean now. I'm saying "hey, bottom is end clean, think the top end will be better? Predict!"
Ok. I predict the top end to look mostly the same, with just a pinch less liquid sludge.That's the point though. I asked for predictions haha. I'm not saying the engine is clean now. I'm saying "hey, bottom is end clean, think the top end will be better? Predict!"