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Saw a BMW at Jiffy Lube today
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Lots of people buy or lease status symbol cars they can't really afford. I can't tell you how many high end cars I've seen with some cheap brand of tire I've never heard of. And I've been around the automotive field since the 80's..
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
Originally Posted By: B320i
Okay, so you see a BMW at the local "QuickLube" place, and cast a judgement that they're:
- Cheapskates
- Don't know how to look after their car
- Gonna ruin the engine
Point is, this person could be taking the car in as often as 3K/3months, but you don't know this and immediately cast a negative judgement.
Now, whether this "QuickLube" is actually checking over the car, and carrying out necessary work correctly is a whole different kettle of fish.
Plenty of Dealerships don't do things right either! My father purchased a Toyota Hilux in the 1980s, serviced at the dealership. Guess what? It wasn't being greased per the servicing requirements, and he discovered this from frequent visual inspections. Eventually, he taped the nipples, then showed the un-greased joints to the service manager after it was supposedly carried out! Red face moment for Toyota, for sure.
Purchasing my first car from family as a complete mechanical Luddite in 2013... I slowly came to realise a supposed "European Car Specialist" had not only ripped off my Aunt, but had left noticeable neglect in the engine bay.
Like cracked belts and shagged pulleys - replacement would be less than about $125 parts. Or an O2 sensor disconnected and ZIP-TIED (yes, really) to the under-body. I reconnected it, and got a performance and fuel economy gain as a result
But I digress. Even if this BMW is only seeing JiffyLube once or twice a year, its better than types that don't do anything at all to their cars.
Even if it is 3000mls service interval, BMW engine will cook regular oil in much shorter time.
I think it is greater possibility that this person just does not give a [censored], treats car strictly as vehicle that should take you from point A to point B. 90% of BMW drivers are completely oblivious to what those cars really are. That is why BMW's are having bad reputation, since most people think they could maintain them as their old Toyota, and if they drive them slow, they will last longer.
When I bought X5 35d, my mother in law said: oooo our friends had one (BMW) and their transmission died, and the only drove it to church. I said: transmission died precisely because they used car only to go to church. She still thinks I make fun of them going to church.
Okay, so you see a BMW at the local "QuickLube" place, and cast a judgement that they're:
- Cheapskates
- Don't know how to look after their car
- Gonna ruin the engine
Point is, this person could be taking the car in as often as 3K/3months, but you don't know this and immediately cast a negative judgement.
Now, whether this "QuickLube" is actually checking over the car, and carrying out necessary work correctly is a whole different kettle of fish.
Plenty of Dealerships don't do things right either! My father purchased a Toyota Hilux in the 1980s, serviced at the dealership. Guess what? It wasn't being greased per the servicing requirements, and he discovered this from frequent visual inspections. Eventually, he taped the nipples, then showed the un-greased joints to the service manager after it was supposedly carried out! Red face moment for Toyota, for sure.
Purchasing my first car from family as a complete mechanical Luddite in 2013... I slowly came to realise a supposed "European Car Specialist" had not only ripped off my Aunt, but had left noticeable neglect in the engine bay.
Like cracked belts and shagged pulleys - replacement would be less than about $125 parts. Or an O2 sensor disconnected and ZIP-TIED (yes, really) to the under-body. I reconnected it, and got a performance and fuel economy gain as a result
But I digress. Even if this BMW is only seeing JiffyLube once or twice a year, its better than types that don't do anything at all to their cars.
Even if it is 3000mls service interval, BMW engine will cook regular oil in much shorter time.
I think it is greater possibility that this person just does not give a [censored], treats car strictly as vehicle that should take you from point A to point B. 90% of BMW drivers are completely oblivious to what those cars really are. That is why BMW's are having bad reputation, since most people think they could maintain them as their old Toyota, and if they drive them slow, they will last longer.
When I bought X5 35d, my mother in law said: oooo our friends had one (BMW) and their transmission died, and the only drove it to church. I said: transmission died precisely because they used car only to go to church. She still thinks I make fun of them going to church.
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Lots of people buy or lease status symbol cars they can't really afford. I can't tell you how many high end cars I've seen with some cheap brand of tire I've never heard of. And I've been around the automotive field since the 80's..
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
Lots of people buy or lease status symbol cars they can't really afford. I can't tell you how many high end cars I've seen with some cheap brand of tire I've never heard of. And I've been around the automotive field since the 80's..
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Just so you guys know, Jiffy Lube carries Pennzoil Platinum 5W-40 which is LL01 approved, and it is most likely the only oil they will sell and install. The filter either comes from a local store, and is probably a Mann, or they keep it in stock and it is probably a Mann.
They'll probably chew up the oil filter cap with channel locks, but it'll get the right oil and filter.
OEM oil filter for BMW is MAHLE, as is for most German cars.
On other hand, MANN is supplier of OEM air filter to all German manufacturers in 99% of cases including BMW.
As for what they put in that BMW< I would be skeptical. When I was student driving Mazda Millenia I once bought M1 EP and took it to 10 minute oil change. I did not have space to change oil, lived in the dorms. Anyway, guy needed several minutes to calculate how to get 6.3qt out of jug of 5qt and two additional bottles.
I hardly believe that mechanic at JF knows what is LL-01, or not to mention difference between LL-01 and LL-04.
You're not wrong, but you're not correct either. OEM filter manufacturer is Mann for most BMWs. Cellulose ends and in the OEM BMW box is Mann, vs plastic or metal ends on Mahle.
Fig 1:
Fig 2:
OEM cans for VW can be stamped Mahle, but I have seen them stamped Mann as well. OEM VW cartridge is Hengst.
You are right that they won't know what LL01 is, but they do know what oil the computer tells them is required; that computer will say Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Just so you guys know, Jiffy Lube carries Pennzoil Platinum 5W-40 which is LL01 approved, and it is most likely the only oil they will sell and install. The filter either comes from a local store, and is probably a Mann, or they keep it in stock and it is probably a Mann.
They'll probably chew up the oil filter cap with channel locks, but it'll get the right oil and filter.
OEM oil filter for BMW is MAHLE, as is for most German cars.
On other hand, MANN is supplier of OEM air filter to all German manufacturers in 99% of cases including BMW.
As for what they put in that BMW< I would be skeptical. When I was student driving Mazda Millenia I once bought M1 EP and took it to 10 minute oil change. I did not have space to change oil, lived in the dorms. Anyway, guy needed several minutes to calculate how to get 6.3qt out of jug of 5qt and two additional bottles.
I hardly believe that mechanic at JF knows what is LL-01, or not to mention difference between LL-01 and LL-04.
You're not wrong, but you're not correct either. OEM filter manufacturer is Mann for most BMWs. Cellulose ends and in the OEM BMW box is Mann, vs plastic or metal ends on Mahle.
Fig 1:
Fig 2:
OEM cans for VW can be stamped Mahle, but I have seen them stamped Mann as well. OEM VW cartridge is Hengst.
You are right that they won't know what LL01 is, but they do know what oil the computer tells them is required; that computer will say Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Lots of people buy or lease status symbol cars they can't really afford. I can't tell you how many high end cars I've seen with some cheap brand of tire I've never heard of. And I've been around the automotive field since the 80's..
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
I'm not trying to save money by buying regular tires vs run flats, same as many others. Run flats suck. If you bought the spare, why keep running RFTs? Because you like [censored] steering feel, increased NVH, and more unsprung weight? Roger.
Run flats are the first to go in ANY BMW I own. I install quality tires in their place, and I know the risks I'm taking. Roadside assistance is a beautiful thing.
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Lots of people buy or lease status symbol cars they can't really afford. I can't tell you how many high end cars I've seen with some cheap brand of tire I've never heard of. And I've been around the automotive field since the 80's..
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
I'm not trying to save money by buying regular tires vs run flats, same as many others. Run flats suck. If you bought the spare, why keep running RFTs? Because you like [censored] steering feel, increased NVH, and more unsprung weight? Roger.
Run flats are the first to go in ANY BMW I own. I install quality tires in their place, and I know the risks I'm taking. Roadside assistance is a beautiful thing.
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
Yep, that sounds about right. I have two cars with Michelin PSS tires. One of them that's pretty much the only streetable tire that is available in the sizes I need. The tires aren't cheap, and don't last like some high-mileage tire. But I knew that going in.
I feel better about the cars when I realize the tire bill for my Sportbikes is even worse..
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
Yep, that sounds about right. I have two cars with Michelin PSS tires. One of them that's pretty much the only streetable tire that is available in the sizes I need. The tires aren't cheap, and don't last like some high-mileage tire. But I knew that going in.
I feel better about the cars when I realize the tire bill for my Sportbikes is even worse..
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Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Just so you guys know, Jiffy Lube carries Pennzoil Platinum 5W-40 which is LL01 approved, and it is most likely the only oil they will sell and install. The filter either comes from a local store, and is probably a Mann, or they keep it in stock and it is probably a Mann.
They'll probably chew up the oil filter cap with channel locks, but it'll get the right oil and filter.
OEM oil filter for BMW is MAHLE, as is for most German cars.
On other hand, MANN is supplier of OEM air filter to all German manufacturers in 99% of cases including BMW.
As for what they put in that BMW< I would be skeptical. When I was student driving Mazda Millenia I once bought M1 EP and took it to 10 minute oil change. I did not have space to change oil, lived in the dorms. Anyway, guy needed several minutes to calculate how to get 6.3qt out of jug of 5qt and two additional bottles.
I hardly believe that mechanic at JF knows what is LL-01, or not to mention difference between LL-01 and LL-04.
You're not wrong, but you're not correct either. OEM filter manufacturer is Mann for most BMWs. Cellulose ends and in the OEM BMW box is Mann, vs plastic or metal ends on Mahle.
Fig 1:
Fig 2:
OEM cans for VW can be stamped Mahle, but I have seen them stamped Mann as well. OEM VW cartridge is Hengst.
You are right that they won't know what LL01 is, but they do know what oil the computer tells them is required; that computer will say Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40.
Cellulose end has Mahle too. Mahle is OEM for 35d and it is cellulose NOT plastic. I am not excluding that MANN has some oil filters as OEM in BMW< but since I ahd first BMW 318 E30 with M10 engine, all were MAHLE OEM oil filters. In the end it is very easy to determine, MAHLE will say MAde in Austria, MANN will say Made in Germany, Poland, Italy, Bosnia, Czech or Mexico.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Just so you guys know, Jiffy Lube carries Pennzoil Platinum 5W-40 which is LL01 approved, and it is most likely the only oil they will sell and install. The filter either comes from a local store, and is probably a Mann, or they keep it in stock and it is probably a Mann.
They'll probably chew up the oil filter cap with channel locks, but it'll get the right oil and filter.
OEM oil filter for BMW is MAHLE, as is for most German cars.
On other hand, MANN is supplier of OEM air filter to all German manufacturers in 99% of cases including BMW.
As for what they put in that BMW< I would be skeptical. When I was student driving Mazda Millenia I once bought M1 EP and took it to 10 minute oil change. I did not have space to change oil, lived in the dorms. Anyway, guy needed several minutes to calculate how to get 6.3qt out of jug of 5qt and two additional bottles.
I hardly believe that mechanic at JF knows what is LL-01, or not to mention difference between LL-01 and LL-04.
You're not wrong, but you're not correct either. OEM filter manufacturer is Mann for most BMWs. Cellulose ends and in the OEM BMW box is Mann, vs plastic or metal ends on Mahle.
Fig 1:
Fig 2:
OEM cans for VW can be stamped Mahle, but I have seen them stamped Mann as well. OEM VW cartridge is Hengst.
You are right that they won't know what LL01 is, but they do know what oil the computer tells them is required; that computer will say Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W-40.
Cellulose end has Mahle too. Mahle is OEM for 35d and it is cellulose NOT plastic. I am not excluding that MANN has some oil filters as OEM in BMW< but since I ahd first BMW 318 E30 with M10 engine, all were MAHLE OEM oil filters. In the end it is very easy to determine, MAHLE will say MAde in Austria, MANN will say Made in Germany, Poland, Italy, Bosnia, Czech or Mexico.
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
Yep, that sounds about right. I have two cars with Michelin PSS tires. One of them that's pretty much the only streetable tire that is available in the sizes I need. The tires aren't cheap, and don't last like some high-mileage tire. But I knew that going in.
I feel better about the cars when I realize the tire bill for my Sportbikes is even worse..
Actually PSS is cheap. I had them on VW CC (car before I had 35d) and I paid $122 per piece for 235/45/17! However, most people would say: oh if Michelin is $122, then "whatever" must be 50% of that price.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
Yep, that sounds about right. I have two cars with Michelin PSS tires. One of them that's pretty much the only streetable tire that is available in the sizes I need. The tires aren't cheap, and don't last like some high-mileage tire. But I knew that going in.
I feel better about the cars when I realize the tire bill for my Sportbikes is even worse..
Actually PSS is cheap. I had them on VW CC (car before I had 35d) and I paid $122 per piece for 235/45/17! However, most people would say: oh if Michelin is $122, then "whatever" must be 50% of that price.
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Originally Posted By: edyvw
Cellulose end has Mahle too. Mahle is OEM for 35d and it is cellulose NOT plastic. I am not excluding that MANN has some oil filters as OEM in BMW< but since I ahd first BMW 318 E30 with M10 engine, all were MAHLE OEM oil filters. In the end it is very easy to determine, MAHLE will say MAde in Austria, MANN will say Made in Germany, Poland, Italy, Bosnia, Czech or Mexico.
The OEM air and oil filters for my M30-powered 735i were Purolator. Even had "Purolator" and the part number stamped on the air box and oil filter housing.
The majority of BMWs you see at Jiffy Lube such as E46/E90 325i, 328i, 330i etc... (ie, the "common" BMWs) will be Mann for OEM.
Cellulose end has Mahle too. Mahle is OEM for 35d and it is cellulose NOT plastic. I am not excluding that MANN has some oil filters as OEM in BMW< but since I ahd first BMW 318 E30 with M10 engine, all were MAHLE OEM oil filters. In the end it is very easy to determine, MAHLE will say MAde in Austria, MANN will say Made in Germany, Poland, Italy, Bosnia, Czech or Mexico.
The OEM air and oil filters for my M30-powered 735i were Purolator. Even had "Purolator" and the part number stamped on the air box and oil filter housing.
The majority of BMWs you see at Jiffy Lube such as E46/E90 325i, 328i, 330i etc... (ie, the "common" BMWs) will be Mann for OEM.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Lots of people buy or lease status symbol cars they can't really afford. I can't tell you how many high end cars I've seen with some cheap brand of tire I've never heard of. And I've been around the automotive field since the 80's..
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
I'm not trying to save money by buying regular tires vs run flats, same as many others. Run flats suck. If you bought the spare, why keep running RFTs? Because you like [censored] steering feel, increased NVH, and more unsprung weight? Roger.
Run flats are the first to go in ANY BMW I own. I install quality tires in their place, and I know the risks I'm taking. Roadside assistance is a beautiful thing.
I run them because I do not want to throw away brand new tires I got with car when I bought it as CPO.
I mean, I agree 100% of what you saying (I have Blizzaks for winter that are non-RFT) but, I wont simply throw away brand new 4 tires. In the end, I am in a bit of a pickle. I have 2 months old baby (today exactly 2 months). Thought RFT will make issues with him sleeping. He loves the way my X5 rides. Falls a sleep immediately in my X5, while in wife's Tiguan he is more aware. Right now RFT is staying bcs baby loves them
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Lots of people buy or lease status symbol cars they can't really afford. I can't tell you how many high end cars I've seen with some cheap brand of tire I've never heard of. And I've been around the automotive field since the 80's..
At least they were making an attempt to maintain their car. I have friends that are still in the consumer car repair business. They see the vehicles that aren't maintained after something fails due to maintenance neglect.
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
I'm not trying to save money by buying regular tires vs run flats, same as many others. Run flats suck. If you bought the spare, why keep running RFTs? Because you like [censored] steering feel, increased NVH, and more unsprung weight? Roger.
Run flats are the first to go in ANY BMW I own. I install quality tires in their place, and I know the risks I'm taking. Roadside assistance is a beautiful thing.
I run them because I do not want to throw away brand new tires I got with car when I bought it as CPO.
I mean, I agree 100% of what you saying (I have Blizzaks for winter that are non-RFT) but, I wont simply throw away brand new 4 tires. In the end, I am in a bit of a pickle. I have 2 months old baby (today exactly 2 months). Thought RFT will make issues with him sleeping. He loves the way my X5 rides. Falls a sleep immediately in my X5, while in wife's Tiguan he is more aware. Right now RFT is staying bcs baby loves them
Oddly enough, my daughter slept instantly in my X3. In the new Volvo it takes her longer to fall asleep.
The last CPO BMW I bought, I sold the RFTs to a patron of the dealership for what a new set of Continental DWS cost me. We both got brand new tires for a deal!
The last CPO BMW I bought, I sold the RFTs to a patron of the dealership for what a new set of Continental DWS cost me. We both got brand new tires for a deal!
But back to Jiffy Lube. If the shop does what they are supposed to, there will be no harm done to the car.
YMMV.
YMMV.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Oddly enough, my daughter slept instantly in my X3. In the new Volvo it takes her longer to fall asleep.
The last CPO BMW I bought, I sold the RFTs to a patron of the dealership for what a new set of Continental DWS cost me. We both got brand new tires for a deal!
Yeah, I would do that if I could get that deal, even if I had to add bit of money. It is OK. I have Dualer's H/L, they will last at most one more summer.
Oddly enough, my daughter slept instantly in my X3. In the new Volvo it takes her longer to fall asleep.
The last CPO BMW I bought, I sold the RFTs to a patron of the dealership for what a new set of Continental DWS cost me. We both got brand new tires for a deal!
Yeah, I would do that if I could get that deal, even if I had to add bit of money. It is OK. I have Dualer's H/L, they will last at most one more summer.
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But back to Jiffy Lube. If the shop does what they are supposed to, there will be no harm done to the car.
YMMV.
Problem is JF has history of not doing what they suppose to do.
But back to Jiffy Lube. If the shop does what they are supposed to, there will be no harm done to the car.
YMMV.
Problem is JF has history of not doing what they suppose to do.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But back to Jiffy Lube. If the shop does what they are supposed to, there will be no harm done to the car.
YMMV.
Problem is JF has history of not doing what they suppose to do.
So do many "enthusiasts," Running Rotella T6 for 10k oil changes because "the engine likes it." LOL
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But back to Jiffy Lube. If the shop does what they are supposed to, there will be no harm done to the car.
YMMV.
Problem is JF has history of not doing what they suppose to do.
So do many "enthusiasts," Running Rotella T6 for 10k oil changes because "the engine likes it." LOL
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But back to Jiffy Lube. If the shop does what they are supposed to, there will be no harm done to the car.
YMMV.
Problem is JF has history of not doing what they suppose to do.
So do many "enthusiasts," Running Rotella T6 for 10k oil changes because "the engine likes it." LOL
True, but they are doing it to their own car. JF takes money to provide "professional" service. There is a difference.
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: rooflessVW
But back to Jiffy Lube. If the shop does what they are supposed to, there will be no harm done to the car.
YMMV.
Problem is JF has history of not doing what they suppose to do.
So do many "enthusiasts," Running Rotella T6 for 10k oil changes because "the engine likes it." LOL
True, but they are doing it to their own car. JF takes money to provide "professional" service. There is a difference.
Most people are not mechanically inclined enough to change oil...which is sad. Neighbors see me change the oil on my RS7 or S63 and say, if I had a car like that I'd pay someone to do that....then I say, that's probably why you don have cars like that
Besides I've been working on cars since I was 5 years old, why stop now? I enjoy a garage full of oil and gasoline.....smells right to me
Besides I've been working on cars since I was 5 years old, why stop now? I enjoy a garage full of oil and gasoline.....smells right to me
Originally Posted By: FranklinJL
Most people are not mechanically inclined enough to change oil...which is sad. Neighbors see me change the oil on my RS7 or S63 and say, if I had a car like that I'd pay someone to do that....then I say, that's probably why you don have cars like that
Besides I've been working on cars since I was 5 years old, why stop now? I enjoy a garage full of oil and gasoline.....smells right to me
I would be driving car that I drive whether I change it or not. However, besides the fact that if you want to do things right do them yourself, it is my way to spend some time with myself, just do something for myself in addition to cigars and whiskey
Most people are not mechanically inclined enough to change oil...which is sad. Neighbors see me change the oil on my RS7 or S63 and say, if I had a car like that I'd pay someone to do that....then I say, that's probably why you don have cars like that
Besides I've been working on cars since I was 5 years old, why stop now? I enjoy a garage full of oil and gasoline.....smells right to me
I would be driving car that I drive whether I change it or not. However, besides the fact that if you want to do things right do them yourself, it is my way to spend some time with myself, just do something for myself in addition to cigars and whiskey
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
Yep, that sounds about right. I have two cars with Michelin PSS tires. One of them that's pretty much the only streetable tire that is available in the sizes I need. The tires aren't cheap, and don't last like some high-mileage tire. But I knew that going in.
I feel better about the cars when I realize the tire bill for my Sportbikes is even worse..
Actually PSS is cheap.
Price depends on the sizes you need. Put another way, the sizes I need for the rear in particular of one car are not cheap. But I knew that when I bought the car.
Originally Posted By: 02SE
Originally Posted By: edyvw
Right on point. Few weeks ago I went to Discount Tire to get spare donut tire for my BMW. So guy says: why you need spare, you have RFT? I was: well, I travel a lot, I do not want to get stranded in the middle of nowhere waiting AAA etc. I said: I bought this car knowing how much tires are and I always put Michelin, Bridgestone, Continental etc. so I am not trying to save money by buying regular instead of RFT tires. He said: man, you are first person with expensive car to say that. All people that drive BMW's, Porsche, MB when they are told how much are tires say: oh god, why so much? And then go with cheap tires.
Yep, that sounds about right. I have two cars with Michelin PSS tires. One of them that's pretty much the only streetable tire that is available in the sizes I need. The tires aren't cheap, and don't last like some high-mileage tire. But I knew that going in.
I feel better about the cars when I realize the tire bill for my Sportbikes is even worse..
Actually PSS is cheap.
Price depends on the sizes you need. Put another way, the sizes I need for the rear in particular of one car are not cheap. But I knew that when I bought the car.
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