Run M1 in Chrysler/Dodge
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Which Chrysler/Dodge?
Originally Posted By: Trav
Which Chrysler/Dodge?
Anything requiring Chrysler MS-6395, which M1 does not carry.
Not sure why M1 doesn't carry it, but it certainly won't harm your engine.
If you're under warranty, it would leave Chrysler a chance to try and get out of covering repairs should you have an engine failure. You should be protected by Magnuson-Moss, but they could really make things a PITA if they wanted to.
If you're out of warranty, use M1 all you want. If you're still under warranty, use something that has Chrysler MS-6395 listed on the bottle.
Which Chrysler/Dodge?
Anything requiring Chrysler MS-6395, which M1 does not carry.
Not sure why M1 doesn't carry it, but it certainly won't harm your engine.
If you're under warranty, it would leave Chrysler a chance to try and get out of covering repairs should you have an engine failure. You should be protected by Magnuson-Moss, but they could really make things a PITA if they wanted to.
If you're out of warranty, use M1 all you want. If you're still under warranty, use something that has Chrysler MS-6395 listed on the bottle.
Yeah, I noticed that my son's Dodge Dart requires 0W-20 to meet MS-6395 and the M1 0W-20 AFE doesn't meet that spec. I have to believe Mobil will have that spec soon. Many manufacturers are switching to 0W-20 to meet fuel economy standards. Anyway, I ended up buying Pennzoil Platinum which meets MS-6395 and displays it on the jug. (also $2.50 cheaper than M1 at WalMart)
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Mobil_1_and_Chrysler_MS-6395.aspx
check that out. I say screw Chrysler's spec and I will use M1 with confidence
check that out. I say screw Chrysler's spec and I will use M1 with confidence
Doesn't Chrysler know that Pennzoil causes sludge? Just kidding! Using PP is certainly as good as using M1 in my opinion.
Maybe even better
Use with confidence. I just bought PP 0W-20 this week for the wife's upcoming oil change. (I hope the M1 didn't do any damage to her Subie-tongue in cheek
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Maybe even better
Use with confidence. I just bought PP 0W-20 this week for the wife's upcoming oil change. (I hope the M1 didn't do any damage to her Subie-tongue in cheek
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I am in awe that the mighty M1 doesn't have that particular spec met. I mean in all honesty,why would they miss out on being able to be used in Chrysler vehicles still under warranty. That baffles me.
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
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Originally Posted By: KD0AXS
You should be protected by Magnuson-Moss, but they could really make things a PITA if they wanted to.
If you're out of warranty, use M1 all you want. If you're still under warranty, use something that has Chrysler MS-6395 listed on the bottle.
I'm certain that this hinges on the language used in the manual. If Chrysler REQUIRES you to use an oil meeting MS-6395, and you don't, they can certainly deny your warranty if the lubricant is proven to be at fault.
All they need to ensure is that oils meeting that spec are available.
They can't require you to use a specific lubricant without providing it for free. But they can certainly require you to use a lubricant meeting a given spec. The Euro marques have been doing it forever.
You should be protected by Magnuson-Moss, but they could really make things a PITA if they wanted to.
If you're out of warranty, use M1 all you want. If you're still under warranty, use something that has Chrysler MS-6395 listed on the bottle.
I'm certain that this hinges on the language used in the manual. If Chrysler REQUIRES you to use an oil meeting MS-6395, and you don't, they can certainly deny your warranty if the lubricant is proven to be at fault.
All they need to ensure is that oils meeting that spec are available.
They can't require you to use a specific lubricant without providing it for free. But they can certainly require you to use a lubricant meeting a given spec. The Euro marques have been doing it forever.
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Originally Posted By: Clevy
I am in awe that the mighty M1 doesn't have that particular spec met. I mean in all honesty,why would they miss out on being able to be used in Chrysler vehicles still under warranty. That baffles me.
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
Maybe they are sour over losing the oil contract with Chrysler to SOPUS after Chrysler was acquired by FIAT? (who had a pre-existing deal with SOPUS).
I am in awe that the mighty M1 doesn't have that particular spec met. I mean in all honesty,why would they miss out on being able to be used in Chrysler vehicles still under warranty. That baffles me.
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
Maybe they are sour over losing the oil contract with Chrysler to SOPUS after Chrysler was acquired by FIAT? (who had a pre-existing deal with SOPUS).
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Originally Posted By: beadvised
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Mobil_1_and_Chrysler_MS-6395.aspx
check that out. I say screw Chrysler's spec and I will use M1 with confidence
Very interesting - a two year stability test. I've been running most of my low mileage vehicles on a two year schedule.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Mobil_1_and_Chrysler_MS-6395.aspx
check that out. I say screw Chrysler's spec and I will use M1 with confidence
Very interesting - a two year stability test. I've been running most of my low mileage vehicles on a two year schedule.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I am in awe that the mighty M1 doesn't have that particular spec met. I mean in all honesty,why would they miss out on being able to be used in Chrysler vehicles still under warranty. That baffles me.
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
Maybe they are sour over losing the oil contract with Chrysler to SOPUS after Chrysler was acquired by FIAT? (who had a pre-existing deal with SOPUS).
Or maybe the latest revision to the MS-6395 specification calls for a field trial spanning multiple seasons over two years and they are in the process of evaluating the timeline to start this testing.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I am in awe that the mighty M1 doesn't have that particular spec met. I mean in all honesty,why would they miss out on being able to be used in Chrysler vehicles still under warranty. That baffles me.
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
Maybe they are sour over losing the oil contract with Chrysler to SOPUS after Chrysler was acquired by FIAT? (who had a pre-existing deal with SOPUS).
Or maybe the latest revision to the MS-6395 specification calls for a field trial spanning multiple seasons over two years and they are in the process of evaluating the timeline to start this testing.
Originally Posted By: DuckRyder
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I am in awe that the mighty M1 doesn't have that particular spec met. I mean in all honesty,why would they miss out on being able to be used in Chrysler vehicles still under warranty. That baffles me.
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
Maybe they are sour over losing the oil contract with Chrysler to SOPUS after Chrysler was acquired by FIAT? (who had a pre-existing deal with SOPUS).
Or maybe the latest revision to the MS-6395 specification calls for a field trial spanning multiple seasons over two years and they are in the process of evaluating the timeline to start this testing.
Overkill
That certainly is a possibility however what smart business person cuts their company out of potential millions due to spite. Just the thought of that being possible would concern me if I was an Exxon shareholder.
Wasn't M1 0w-40 originally specified for the performance built hemis? I wonder why dodge needed a custom formulated oil for the hemi,and why wouldn't they have Mobil formulate it? What was the M1 0w-40 not accomplishing in the hemi that necessitated dodge needing an oil custom formulated for it.
Unless its just a marketing gimmick on both sopus and dodge's part,making customers believe that the sopus oil is the only oil adequate for their hemi.
Duckryder
That explanation makes sense and could be a possibility. I just can't see Mobil cutting themselves out of the potential Chrysler revenue. Especially since some Chrysler owners will be Mobil fanboys and insist on using it. The sopus designation may concern them.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Clevy
I am in awe that the mighty M1 doesn't have that particular spec met. I mean in all honesty,why would they miss out on being able to be used in Chrysler vehicles still under warranty. That baffles me.
I wonder if they need to tweak their current oil to meet the Chrysler spec,or if its already adequate and its just a matter of paying Chrysler so they can print that it meets their spec.
Politics maybe?
Maybe they are sour over losing the oil contract with Chrysler to SOPUS after Chrysler was acquired by FIAT? (who had a pre-existing deal with SOPUS).
Or maybe the latest revision to the MS-6395 specification calls for a field trial spanning multiple seasons over two years and they are in the process of evaluating the timeline to start this testing.
Overkill
That certainly is a possibility however what smart business person cuts their company out of potential millions due to spite. Just the thought of that being possible would concern me if I was an Exxon shareholder.
Wasn't M1 0w-40 originally specified for the performance built hemis? I wonder why dodge needed a custom formulated oil for the hemi,and why wouldn't they have Mobil formulate it? What was the M1 0w-40 not accomplishing in the hemi that necessitated dodge needing an oil custom formulated for it.
Unless its just a marketing gimmick on both sopus and dodge's part,making customers believe that the sopus oil is the only oil adequate for their hemi.
Duckryder
That explanation makes sense and could be a possibility. I just can't see Mobil cutting themselves out of the potential Chrysler revenue. Especially since some Chrysler owners will be Mobil fanboys and insist on using it. The sopus designation may concern them.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
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Duckryder
That explanation makes sense and could be a possibility. I just can't see Mobil cutting themselves out of the potential Chrysler revenue. Especially since some Chrysler owners will be Mobil fanboys and insist on using it. The sopus designation may concern them.
It is what they say on the link posted by beadvised at least.
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Duckryder
That explanation makes sense and could be a possibility. I just can't see Mobil cutting themselves out of the potential Chrysler revenue. Especially since some Chrysler owners will be Mobil fanboys and insist on using it. The sopus designation may concern them.
It is what they say on the link posted by beadvised at least.
Originally Posted By: beadvised
The only synthetics that meet Chrysler are Valvo SynPower, PP, and QSUD... Which one should I choose from the three? I run M1 in other applications so I'm not afraid to choose another brand.
Pennzoil Platinum, but the other 2 should be fine if you cannot find PP.
The only synthetics that meet Chrysler are Valvo SynPower, PP, and QSUD... Which one should I choose from the three? I run M1 in other applications so I'm not afraid to choose another brand.
Pennzoil Platinum, but the other 2 should be fine if you cannot find PP.
Originally Posted By: 95busa
Mobil 1 is factory fill in Vipers and corvettes. Pretty sure it will be fine given the correct grade.
Not the latest Viper, fwiw.
Mobil 1 is factory fill in Vipers and corvettes. Pretty sure it will be fine given the correct grade.
Not the latest Viper, fwiw.
Originally Posted By: Coprolite
Originally Posted By: 95busa
Mobil 1 is factory fill in Vipers and corvettes. Pretty sure it will be fine given the correct grade.
Not the latest Viper, fwiw.
Right. But it was M1 0W-40 for years before. The new Pennzoil Platinum OW-40 is just the current darling, but they did get actual input from Chrysler on it.
But the selection of oil for a supercar may differ somewhat from this poster's application!
Originally Posted By: 95busa
Mobil 1 is factory fill in Vipers and corvettes. Pretty sure it will be fine given the correct grade.
Not the latest Viper, fwiw.
Right. But it was M1 0W-40 for years before. The new Pennzoil Platinum OW-40 is just the current darling, but they did get actual input from Chrysler on it.
But the selection of oil for a supercar may differ somewhat from this poster's application!
Here is M1s response to this question. I talked to Mobil tech about this and they confirmed the silly test Chrysler expects all oil companies to do to meet their spec. It seems now that everyone building cars these days has their own oil standards to meet.
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Mobil_1_and_Chrysler_MS-6395.aspx
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Mobil_1_and_Chrysler_MS-6395.aspx
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