Been using several different labels of RT4 5-40, 10-40, in my 1000cc Yamaha yzfR1 (Rocket) for years with fine results. At the last track day i attended several were running Rotella T6, I dont recall if it was 15-40 or 5-40, the two i asked both run it hard for the weekend and then dump it. My question to those in the know, if im wanting to try Rotella in my street bike that sees medium/hard duty 90% of the time, wich weight would i want to stick with, and oci ? with the 4T ive been doing around 2000mi. im leaning towards the 5-40. Thats assuming i even give it a try. $60+filter is getting a little old, Rotella is looking tempting at $20.00 sorry if this is a re-list, i did a search and didnt find anyhing that fit just right. opinions?
RT4 V.S. Rotella
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Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
At the last track day i attended several were running Rotella T6, I dont recall if it was 15-40 or 5-40,
If it was T6, then it was 5w-40 as that is the only grade that T6 comes in.
There is a Rotella T 15w40 out there, but it's mineral, and not T6. Both very good oils. The T 15w40 seems to be more shear stable, from what I've read on here.
At the last track day i attended several were running Rotella T6, I dont recall if it was 15-40 or 5-40,
If it was T6, then it was 5w-40 as that is the only grade that T6 comes in.
There is a Rotella T 15w40 out there, but it's mineral, and not T6. Both very good oils. The T 15w40 seems to be more shear stable, from what I've read on here.
ok, the T6 is only 5-40 got it! how suited is the T6 to high rpm (12000-14000) wet clutch bikes ? Im just wondering if i should keep playing it safe with 4T, or try Rotella, what if anything might i be sacrificing ? I know "motorcycle specific" oil is a advertising sham (as ive read it on BITOG), im just searching out the less expensive alternative that will get me the same results as 4T.. your thoughts ?
and if not T6, what Rotella label should i be searching for, or other non motorcycle specific labeled oil, that will do the same job as 4T?
and if not T6, what Rotella label should i be searching for, or other non motorcycle specific labeled oil, that will do the same job as 4T?
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For wet clutch/shared sump, you want an oil that carries JASO MA spec. Both Rotella T6 as well as Rotella T carry this spec.
I would just try it with T6 to see how you like it. Worst case scenario, you'll dump it early if you don't like it.
I would just try it with T6 to see how you like it. Worst case scenario, you'll dump it early if you don't like it.
this will be the 2nd year that i'm running T6 in my R1, although i didn't run it much last year I still run mine hard, and the oil came out loking very promising when i just recently changed it.
I run T6 in mine with a purolator Pure one L14612 filter.
My dad and brother run the 15w40 in theirs.
I run T6 in mine with a purolator Pure one L14612 filter.
My dad and brother run the 15w40 in theirs.
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I've been using the 5w40 Rotella for over 3 yrs in my R1. Judging by shift quality, it's the best ever. I also use the Purolator Classic L14612 (convenient since it's the same filter for my wife's Miata).
Rotella doing the Ma testing, pretty much confirms all the modern Diesil oils, are general MC equivilant in use.
Originally Posted By: OtisBlkR1
how suited is the T6 to high rpm (12000-14000) wet clutch bikes ?
I think the Rotella T6 5w-40 in a high rpm bike would shear out very fast because the T6 has links to keep it at hot 40 and it will get sheared way down very fast, wet clutch is fine but if I were using T6 in a high rpm bike I'd change it out at very short Oil Change Intervals, actually I wouldn't use it on your high rpm bike
how suited is the T6 to high rpm (12000-14000) wet clutch bikes ?
I think the Rotella T6 5w-40 in a high rpm bike would shear out very fast because the T6 has links to keep it at hot 40 and it will get sheared way down very fast, wet clutch is fine but if I were using T6 in a high rpm bike I'd change it out at very short Oil Change Intervals, actually I wouldn't use it on your high rpm bike
Originally Posted By: RRich
I've been using the 5w40 Rotella for over 3 yrs in my R1. Judging by shift quality, it's the best ever. I also use the Purolator Classic L14612 (convenient since it's the same filter for my wife's Miata).
speaking of filters, Ive been using the same Yamaha filters since day one, Yourself and another are both using Purolator filters, your using classic, he's using a pure one. Ive read that the pure-one is a no-no.. but there was no ill effect mentioned or experienced yet ? this makes me consider doing/using the same.
I've been using the 5w40 Rotella for over 3 yrs in my R1. Judging by shift quality, it's the best ever. I also use the Purolator Classic L14612 (convenient since it's the same filter for my wife's Miata).
speaking of filters, Ive been using the same Yamaha filters since day one, Yourself and another are both using Purolator filters, your using classic, he's using a pure one. Ive read that the pure-one is a no-no.. but there was no ill effect mentioned or experienced yet ? this makes me consider doing/using the same.
why is using a pure one a no no?
its a high quality filter nonetheless.
its a high quality filter nonetheless.
Originally Posted By: Black_Thunder
why is using a pure one a no no?
its a high quality filter nonetheless.
Supposedly the high efficiency of a PureOne will restrict oil flow because a small "bike" oil pump wont have the oomfh and could cause engine damage from oil starvation, where as a regular classic will flow better for the same size filter and be OK.
This sounds like something testable with an oil pressure gage at varying RPM's to see if there is a lag achieving PSI at a given RPM using a P1 filter?
why is using a pure one a no no?
its a high quality filter nonetheless.
Supposedly the high efficiency of a PureOne will restrict oil flow because a small "bike" oil pump wont have the oomfh and could cause engine damage from oil starvation, where as a regular classic will flow better for the same size filter and be OK.
This sounds like something testable with an oil pressure gage at varying RPM's to see if there is a lag achieving PSI at a given RPM using a P1 filter?
I've been using a Pure 1 on my Gold Wing for years.
So far so good.
On certain Harleys, the stock filter is VERY restrictive and that may be the basis for the 'rumor'.
So far so good.
On certain Harleys, the stock filter is VERY restrictive and that may be the basis for the 'rumor'.
why would it restrict flow? it has a bypass valve like any other filter.
Originally Posted By: Black_Thunder
why would it restrict flow? it has a bypass valve like any other filter.
sure it has a bypass valve but do you want your motorcycle using the bypass valve ? it would be defeating the purpose (filtering) so instead of using a filter that may be to restrictive (rumored pure 1 on some bikes) sticking to a classic seems to be the safer bet. I dont recall where i read that about some automotive filters being to restrictive but i remember it and so ive just always stuck with the oem.. but of course im curious whos had luck and can dismiss these rumors, i want to save a buck too !!
why would it restrict flow? it has a bypass valve like any other filter.
sure it has a bypass valve but do you want your motorcycle using the bypass valve ? it would be defeating the purpose (filtering) so instead of using a filter that may be to restrictive (rumored pure 1 on some bikes) sticking to a classic seems to be the safer bet. I dont recall where i read that about some automotive filters being to restrictive but i remember it and so ive just always stuck with the oem.. but of course im curious whos had luck and can dismiss these rumors, i want to save a buck too !!
Yes but Purolator say this,
"If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter."
This would seem to imply that if there is a bypass valve then it operates at a higher pressure than a normal filter.
"If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter."
This would seem to imply that if there is a bypass valve then it operates at a higher pressure than a normal filter.
Originally Posted By: Qwiky
Yes but Purolator say this,
"If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter."
After I read that statement I stopped using them in everything that I own. If they are too restrictive for the gerotor oil pump on my bike, then I will say that they are just too restrictive.
Yes but Purolator say this,
"If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter."
After I read that statement I stopped using them in everything that I own. If they are too restrictive for the gerotor oil pump on my bike, then I will say that they are just too restrictive.
Originally Posted By: WANG
Originally Posted By: Qwiky
Yes but Purolator say this,
"If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter."
After I read that statement I stopped using them in everything that I own. If they are too restrictive for the gerotor oil pump on my bike, then I will say that they are just too restrictive.
I dunno about completely stopping the use of pure ones, I LOVE EM.. BUT, after reading that im deffinately not comfortable spinning one on my R1. on a side note, AND back on the original topic when i went to buy some Rotella to try in the R1 i seen Valvoline 4T for $6.99 qrt I decided to give it a whirl, AS Mobil 1 4T was $8.99 so far i like it and saved two bucks a quart. maybee next change il try the Rotella.
Originally Posted By: Qwiky
Yes but Purolator say this,
"If you're thinking you want to install a PureONE oil filter on your bike, please think again. PureONE oil filters are designed for vehicles, not bikes. Because of PureONE's high efficiency, the motorcycle oil pump may not be able to handle the pressure. The Purolator motorcycle filter line is designed to meet the specific needs of a bike; therefore we highly recommend the use of a Purolator ML filter over a PureONE oil filter."
After I read that statement I stopped using them in everything that I own. If they are too restrictive for the gerotor oil pump on my bike, then I will say that they are just too restrictive.
I dunno about completely stopping the use of pure ones, I LOVE EM.. BUT, after reading that im deffinately not comfortable spinning one on my R1. on a side note, AND back on the original topic when i went to buy some Rotella to try in the R1 i seen Valvoline 4T for $6.99 qrt I decided to give it a whirl, AS Mobil 1 4T was $8.99 so far i like it and saved two bucks a quart. maybee next change il try the Rotella.
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