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Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: Capa
DragRace said:
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You are more than welcome to mention other oils that have been forced to remove said advertising. Its called false advertising and,no, every company doesn't do it.


Every oil company,car companies,food,any business uses advertising to sell their product.Thats why they have sales teams,thats why they have commercials,the list goes on. You obviously know nothing about the ways businesses operate to sell products let alone prolly never even used RP. Not everyone has the time or $$$ to sit down to analyze everything in food products you'd quickly discover what we eat is hardly good for us,but thats not what food companies will tell you. Everyone has safe drinking water,that doesnt mean you know exactly whats in that spring water filled bottle of water you just bought.I guess we can start complaining about food companies,etc as well,as many products are not as they seem.



You are just irrationally ranting while pragmatically describing the fraud that occurs in business adverising. There are regulatory constraints in place to prohibit fraudulent practices and claims that cannot be substantiated by empirical methodology. In your world, you assume that only those with your wisdom are fit to distinguish between truth and fiction.
 
Originally Posted By: Capa
I shall abstain from returning in kind your mediocre personal attacks. Obviously, if you cannot differentiate between advertising and false advertising and then there is no need to continue this discussion.


You rely on outadated data to backup your claims of RP being an poor oil.These days people rely on current data to make informed decisions.You cannot even answer the basic question of<have you ever used it,let alone provide any current data proving it's a bad oil.
 
Originally Posted By: Hallmark
Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: Capa
DragRace said:
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You are more than welcome to mention other oils that have been forced to remove said advertising. Its called false advertising and,no, every company doesn't do it.


Every oil company,car companies,food,any business uses advertising to sell their product.Thats why they have sales teams,thats why they have commercials,the list goes on. You obviously know nothing about the ways businesses operate to sell products let alone prolly never even used RP. Not everyone has the time or $$$ to sit down to analyze everything in food products you'd quickly discover what we eat is hardly good for us,but thats not what food companies will tell you. Everyone has safe drinking water,that doesnt mean you know exactly whats in that spring water filled bottle of water you just bought.I guess we can start complaining about food companies,etc as well,as many products are not as they seem.



You are just irrationally ranting while pragmatically describing the fraud that occurs in business adverising. There are regulatory constraints in place to prohibit fraudulent practices and claims that cannot be substantiated by empirical methodology. In your world, you assume that only those with your wisdom are fit to distinguish between truth and fiction.


Nope,it's called understanding how company's market their products,not only in the oil industry. This website used to be a reliable website where people could come to get factual current data on oils,not rely on reports from years ago and judge products the same from the past til now,hence the reason many factual,knowledgeable posters have since left,because of topics that get beat to death such as this everytime it is brought up around here.It's ALWAYS the same posters that love to stir the pot,without having even used a product.
 
Originally Posted By: Capa
It's not like the link is from the '80's or 90's, this occurred about 3 years ago. Yes, there have been some changes and some of RP's oil are now approved and, yes, RP probably won't be making multiple exaggerated claims again.


No, I don't mean to say it's that old. However, RP went from SL/GF-3, skipping SM/GF-4 altogether, and went to SN/GF-5, with the notable exception of API SM/non-ILSAC European grades. Grumbling about SL/GF-3 three years ago isn't much different than grumbling about SM/GF-4 these days. Are we also going to be pointing out how Ashland and Castrol synthetics have eight times less wear than M1's SM/GF-4 offerings?

By the way, BP and the NAD want to talk about SL/GF-3 being advertised three years ago? Take a look here and here and tell me what you see wrong. I see the current Castrol site advertising their Hyperon and Elixion HDEOs as CI-4+ and CI-4, respectively. SL/GF-3 is a no-no according to BP and the NAD three years ago. Yet, it's okay today to be advertising an HDEO with something as dated as CI-4? Glass houses, people.

The issues in the article have been addressed some time ago. They are no longer issues. When I buy oil, my concern is that it's actually licensed for the specification I need and that it's price is sensible. With respect to specifications, Edge products (both Syntec and Titanium) and the RP API line both meet my needs. With respect to pricing, Edge has no advantage, and the Titanium line takes a beating from RP up here.

As for film strength claims, BP is living in a glass house. Read some of their recent claims. That being said, I'm sure that RP's 15w-40 or 20w-50 has much better film strength than Edge in 5w-20, and that Hypuron 15w-40 has much better film strength than RP 0w-20. Aside from that, RP's main flaw was they didn't include a lot of qualifiers like other oil companies made. There are plenty of claims made about various Pennzoil products and cleanliness, all with plenty of references to API and ILSAC tests, with fine print limiting results to certain grades. Essentially, the NAD is stating that it's okay to make grandiose claims, as long as one has the fine print and legalese to make it stick.

I realize there's a difference between a claim with a bunch of disclaimers and what RP did, but neither passes the smell test. One should not need to be an engineer or a BITOGer to understand the disclaimers.

Realistically, few except us on this board actually pay attention to such qualifiers. Also, if BP is concerned about "synthetic" sales (and remember, they were the ones that opened the can of worms with respect to the definition in the first place), they should look up the ladder at Mobil, which absolutely wallops them on synthetic sales, not down the ladder at some small boutique brand. They should also note that people looking for a "fuel economy" synthetic will be looking at M1 AFE (with fuel economy actually in the name) which is likely to be found alongside Castrol Edge products on the shelf, where RP products are rare.
 
Originally Posted By: Capa
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: 02zx9r
over priced, under performer


Never used it, useless opinion


But that's the beauty, they used it and it was overpriced for it's performance:

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001398592.cfm

I tend to be brand loyal and I always buy my oil on sale.


MY comment was about what the person said that I quoted. One of the self admitted BITOG members who bashes RP without ever having used it even once.

Good for you. You buy your oil on sale. You are smarter and wiser and just all around better than me.
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Here in the US I pay about $5.50 a qt(5 qt jug) for M1 0-20 at WM. That's an every day price. I was paying $5 a qt in 1978 for M1 5-20. WMs price by the qt is $6.50. [/quote]

Sounds like Exxon/Mobil now how to run a business. All those years and their still near the same price point. For all others, not commenting on quality of their product, which I think is very good, just saying they have a great business model, after all these years to keep a level pricing on their product.
 
Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
children...children..calm down you guys act like your mother was insulted...Its just oil and we ALL know RP,Amsoil, Redline are the kings...


Just Oil, it's the life blood of a engine. It's the life blood of this site. HOW DARE YOU!!!...LMAO..Just Kidding.
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: 02zx9r
over priced, under performer


Never used it, useless opinion


lol, i just love bashing RP cause I know it gets you all stirred up, thats the only reason for my comments. Relax a little, dont worry about stuff that doesnt really matter, I mean how old are you?
 
Originally Posted By: 02zx9r
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: 02zx9r
over priced, under performer


Never used it, useless opinion


lol, i just love bashing RP cause I know it gets you all stirred up, thats the only reason for my comments. Relax a little, dont worry about stuff that doesnt really matter, I mean how old are you?


You admit to doing it just to get me going and then ask how old I am?
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It is clear that there are oils that are less expensive per ounce than RP. I don't think that anyone can rationally argue against that point.

Lets turn this around. Are there any oils that have been or can be proven to provide less wear, more mileage, or greater longevity than RP in actual engines -- not Falex instruments, not 4-ball wear instruments, actual engines. And if so, which parts show less wear.

If you can't answer these questions (I can't), then you CANNOT know that another oil is "better". If you can answer these questions, please share.

Even the Lube Report citation only claims that “there was no statistically significant difference between the fuel economy, emissions data or engine temperature between the two candidate oils.”
 
Originally Posted By: GMorg
It is clear that there are oils that are less expensive per ounce than RP. I don't think that anyone can rationally argue against that point.

Lets turn this around. Are there any oils that have been or can be proven to provide less wear, more mileage, or greater longevity than RP in actual engines -- not Falex instruments, not 4-ball wear instruments, actual engines. And if so, which parts show less wear.

If you can't answer these questions (I can't), then you CANNOT know that another oil is "better". If you can answer these questions, please share.

Even the Lube Report citation only claims that &#147;there was no statistically significant difference between the fuel economy, emissions data or engine temperature between the two candidate oils.&#148;

I didn't read thru the whole thread, but I agree with you.
However the same logic can be used to argue against using RP, that is RP cannot be proved to protect any better than using other top tier synthetic. I think that's the mentality behind those ppl against RP. Apologize if I miscomprehend your post.
 
I just watched "Real Steel" last night and the stupid Royal Purple advertising was really lame. So blatant. May as well have Hugh Jackman say, "Gee, this Royal Purple hydraulic oil sure can take a lot of abuse."
 
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: 02zx9r
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: 02zx9r
over priced, under performer


Never used it, useless opinion


lol, i just love bashing RP cause I know it gets you all stirred up, thats the only reason for my comments. Relax a little, dont worry about stuff that doesnt really matter, I mean how old are you?


You admit to doing it just to get me going and then ask how old I am?
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Yup, cause I knew I would get another rise out of you. Incredible....
 
Originally Posted By: GMorg
I guess some people choose to be useful, others choose to be annoying.


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I am new here at BITOG forum. I am just trying to gain more knowledge when I post a question or topic.
In regards to RP vs M1.
I was just at Wally World 8/18. M1 quart 8.59 per quart. 5 quart jug 32.00.
O'rielly's has the quart of RP 9.59. A 5 quart jug around $40.
Is there any UOA on RP here?
I found this on PQIA (petroleum quality institute of america)
http://www.pqiamerica.com/November 2011 samples/RoyalPurple.htm


So what if the oil is color purple, it is a dye in the oil.
Like I said I am here to gain knowledge, not start wars or fights.
 
Wow, these Royal Purple threads really have some legs, don't they! I thought this was the most constructive post, though. Actual data! mva, does your database break down which RP's were used? Do the RP's with the Synerlec additive perform differently from those without?

Also, can your database be mined for viscosity shearing? I was critical of RP because it had apparently suffered serious shear in this thread:
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...706#Post2710706

Does RP have history of poor shear performance?

Originally Posted By: mva
Royal Purple is a tier 1 oil, in the same league as Amsoil and Redline.

For those that value UOA results, a few years ago I did an analysis of UOA results:

There is a thread in the UOA section where "nicrfe1370" posted a speadsheet with 120 Subaru UOA's. Of course this is many different engines, climates, driving styles, etc.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1293170&fpart=1

I eliminated the data with less than 20,000 miles (break-in) and OCI less than 4000 miles to get rid of short OCI's. I was left with 90 samples.

I then sorted the data by ppm iron per 1000 miles.

Amsoil, Redline and Royal Purple dominate the top performers.

See below for the iron ppm/1000 miles sort - RP oils tended to perform very well:

Miles iron/1000 Oil Brand
13500 0.2 Amsoil S2000
12664 0.3 Amsoil S3000
5786 0.3 Amsoil
4982 0.4 Redline
4323 0.5 Amsoil S3000
6904 0.6 RP Racing 21
22000 0.6 Amsoil S2000
4871 0.6 Redline
7490 0.7 Mobil 1
7156 0.7 Amsoil
5022 0.8 Royal Purple
4983 0.8 Royal Purple
4963 0.8 Redline
7382 0.8 Amsoil
5592 0.9 Tech2000
7777 0.9 RP Racing 21
8800 0.9 Chevron Supreme
7521 0.9 RP Racing 21
5319 0.9 Pennzoil/Pennzoil Plat
5174 1.0 Amsoil ASL
4131 1.0 Redline
5012 1.0 Redline
4950 1.0 Tech2000
5800 1.0 Mobil 1
7579 1.1 Mobil 1
7504 1.1 RP Racing 21
6500 1.1 Amsoil S3000
4632 1.1 Castrol High Mileage
7230 1.1 Amsoil S3000
4407 1.1 Motorcraft
5200 1.2 Amsoil ASL
6840 1.2 Synergyn
7666 1.2 Mobil 1
6790 1.2 Pennzoil Platinum
5089 1.2 Castrol Syntec
5061 1.2 Castrol Syntec
5840 1.2 Pennzoil Platinum
4082 1.2 Castrol GTX
7100 1.3 Castrol Syntec
8332 1.3 Mobil 1, Amsoil S3K
7534 1.3 Mobil 1
5174 1.4 Amsoil S2000
8077 1.4 Amsoil AMO
6540 1.4 Synergyn
5023 1.4 Synergyn
5003 1.4 RP Racing 21
5000 1.4 Mobil 1
7000 1.4 Pennzoil
4888 1.4 Mobil 1
8843 1.5 Amsoil
10000 1.5 Royal Purple
8000 1.5 Schaeffers
5200 1.5 Amsoil ASL
7780 1.5 Mobil Delvac 1
7000 1.6 Mobil 1
4411 1.6 Motorcraft
5000 1.6 Mobil 1
4316 1.6 Mobil 1, Amsoil S3K
13500 1.6 Amsoil ATM
4906 1.6 Castrol GTX
4796 1.7 Mobil 1
4788 1.7 Castrol Syntec
5930 1.7 Castrol Syntec
7000 1.7 Mobil 1
4000 1.8 Mobil 1
6213 1.8 Mobil 1
6165 1.8 Mobil 1
6144 1.8 Castrol Syntec
6000 1.8 Amsoil ATM
7600 1.8 unknown dealer non-synth
7000 1.9 Royal Purple
5921 1.9 Castrol GTX
4284 1.9 Pennzoil blend
6362 1.9 Mobil 1/Amsoil S3K/Mobil 1 T&SUV
7845 1.9 Castrol Syntec (GC)
4046 2.0 Amsoil
6524 2.0 Motul 300V Chrono
5303 2.1 Amsoil S3000
6261 2.2 Mobil 1
9581 2.3 Amsoil S2000
4647 2.6 Mobil 1
6000 2.8 Amsoil
7566 2.9 Mobil 1
7183 2.9 Mobil 1
6470 3.1 Schaeffers
5083 3.1 Castrol Syntec (GC)
7505 3.3 Mobil 1
7433 3.4 Mobil 1
4100 4.1 Schaeffers
 
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Originally Posted By: fordman65

So what if the oil is color purple, it is a dye in the oil.
Like I said I am here to gain knowledge, not start wars or fights.


Agreed. It is very difficult to find objective commentary about Royal Purple here. Its a fine oil that has been severely trashed here, mostly by ones who have never even used it.

That PQIA report speaks volumes to what a great oil it is. 12.7 TBN, and loaded with Ca, Mg, Zn, and Moly. No wonder RP sales are up!
 
I picked up 1 case plus some other items on the AZ website last month...on two occasions. RP, 10w-40, SN, GF-5 was $4.99 a quart, for a case of 10 quarts, on clearance. There was also a AZ discount code to use, Free shipping on orders over $75 and a $15 gift card for orders over $100. So by buying 2 cases of RP, the Valvoline NexGen Maxlife, 10w-40,(not available in stores) for my two orders....IMO it was an outstanding deal. The price per quart of RP, after tax, the discount codes, gift cards and free shipping came out to less than $4.50 a quart for RP and free for Valvoline NexGen, Maxlife 10w-40.

The only reason for the RP purchase was it was on sale and I've had a neighbor asking for an OCI with RP.

So...if you want to buy RP, at a reasonable price...it can be found....if you look....and have it shipped to your door for free!!
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Originally Posted By: DragRace
Originally Posted By: dparm
For $10/qt (normal price in my area) there are other oils I'd rather have.

When it's on sale at Pep Boys, it's a good buy.


Not sure why you'd have to pay 10$ a quart for RP,when you can search online and find it at least 3$ cheaper for the API version of RP,and there's not anything wrong with it either,regardless of the non-sense thats spread on these forums.

Obviously,the HPS version is gonna be 9$ a quart,some of you need better shopping skills thats for sure.
 
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