Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Wow. How does Seafoam "remove" moisture? Where does it go??? You are the expert, tell us.
How do you know Seafoam is safe for seals? I asked this before, but even though you posted one of the longest rants ever seen on this forum, you didn't answer this simple question. Merely replying that "a lot of people do it" is not an answer, it is a failure to grasp logic. No wonder you had me on ignore, you want to ignore logic and reality.
You talk about rhetoric, tell us, what have you learned since coming to the site? It seems to me, since you are so deeply entrenched in your 20 years of purple oil, you have NOT learned anything, but rather YOU are the one coming here with the intent spewing outdated and ill-informed rhetoric.
Only a handful of members think Royal Purple is worth considering, I can count them all on one hand. All seem to suffer from the same logical fallacies and the same cluster of personality disorders.
Take your pick.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
Irrelevant Conclusion: diverts attention away from a fact in dispute rather than address it directly.
popular sentiment (argumentum ad populum--appeal to the majority; appeal to loyalty.)
proving the proposition under dispute without any certain proof (argumentum ad ignorantiam)
Denying the antecedent: draws a conclusion from premises that do not support that conclusion by assuming Not P implies Not Q on the basis that P implies Q
Fallacy of False Cause or Non Sequitur: incorrectly assumes one thing is the cause of another. Non Sequitur is Latin for "It does not follow."
post hoc ergo propter hoc: believing that temporal succession implies a causal relation.
cum hoc ergo propter hoc: believing that happenstance implies causal relation (aka fallacy of causation versus correlation: assumes that correlation implies causation).
Fallacy of necessity: a degree of unwarranted necessity is placed in the conclusion based on the necessity of one or more of its premises.
Negative proof fallacy: that, because a premise cannot be proven false, the premise must be true; or that, because a premise cannot be proven true, the premise must be false.
Red Herring: also called a "fallacy of relevance." This occurs when the speaker is trying to distract the audience by arguing some new topic, or just generally going off topic with an argument.
# Fallacy of many questions (complex question, fallacy of presupposition, loaded question, plurium interrogationum): someone asks a question that presupposes something that has not been proven or accepted by all the people involved. This fallacy is often used rhetorically, so that the question limits direct replies to those that serve the questioner's agenda.
# Fallacy of the single cause ("joint effect", or "causal oversimplification"): occurs when it is assumed that there is one, simple cause of an outcome when in reality it may have been caused by a number of only jointly sufficient causes.
# Incomplete comparison: where not enough information is provided to make a complete comparison
# Inconsistent comparison: where different methods of comparison are used, leaving one with a false impression of the whole comparison
Ad hominem: attacking the person instead of the argument. A form of this is reductio ad Hitlerum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality...ic_disorders.29
Borderline personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.83): extreme "black and white" thinking,
Narcissistic personality disorder (DSM-IV code 301.81): a pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration
What a riot you are.
1st of all I never said I was some kind of chemical expert. I simply am stating the use of the product for a long time without problems. That counts for something even if you don't like what I say.
Where does the moisture go? I have NO clue? Perhaps something in the Seafoam attaches to it on a molecular level and allows for it to be burned off/evaporate faster and more efficiently than it would just by the engine heat alone? Maybe it traps the moisture on the molecular level and holds it suspended to be drained more efficiently at the next OC? No clue. I do know it does do it and do it well as I have seen it 1st hand. I don't need to know the technical why's and wherefor's as I have seen it work myself.
How do I know Seafoam is safe for seals? I have run it for a LONG time and never had a seal problem, I have never heard of anyone having a seal problem with it, never had a customer I sold it to come back and make a claim it damaged the seals( actually never had any bad feedback ), plus the mfg claims it is safe for seals and that is opening themselves up for a law suit if it were untrue. How do I prove something like this to you that should need no proof?
Why is my personal use experience not enough to back up my comments? Have you used Seafoam and had it wreck anything? Have you used Seafoam at all?
How about you, the one saying it is unsafe and doesn't work as advertised, proviode some proof it is not safe and doesn't work? Provide some examples of where it has damaged anything internally on an engine when used in the crankcase. The only issues I ever heard of with Seafoam is when used in the gas tank on older vehicles( freed up crud which blocked the filter or fried the pump )or when used to clean the combustion chamber and had a rare mishap( backfire that cracked a composite intake manifold or freed up so much carbon it fouled a plug - have also heard of a fouled 02 sensor and SEL lights on a few instances but it clears itself with a little driving ). Never heard of any crankcase related issues?
What have I learned in my time at BITOG you ask? Well, that guys like YOU love to make claims about a product's quality or safety in use when you haven't even used the product yourself. You somehow form these ideas that something is bad/poor quality or unsafe based off internet rumor or whatever and then you preach it like gospel. I have learend there are some members here, and you are one, who can't let others have their views and opinions if it is different from yours even when they have used the product and you have not.
I personally have learned a lot since I came here and my posting shows shifts in opinion where it has been shown I am wrong. For example I would NEVER have touched an Amsoil product before coming here and listening to Pablo and a few others. I learned to give it a try and see. I still hate the company behind it but I have aquired a healthier respect for the products. Why don't you try this open minded approach towards Seafoam or RP? I doubt you could do it frankly.
You know as well as I do it is far more than a handful of members that like RP but that is an area I am not going to with you yet again. You can think what you like I could care less. That is another thing I have learned here, or at least am learning, and that is there are a few members that are not worth even trying to discuss things with and you are definitely one of them hence the ignore list. I only posted in response to you in this thread because as is your usual SOP you are trashing soemthing without any experience to back it up.
I have to say you are one of the most confrontational posters here who contributes as much fighting and outright rubbish as usueful info. Back to ignore. If you wish to respond go ahead I am done with you. IF you want to discuss Seafoam or RP or anything in a civil manner feel free to PM me. I am not fighting with you further on the boards.
Nice list. Maybe you should look in the mirror and apply a few of those to yourself.
Have a nice day.
