rough shifting with new fluid after spirited drive

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So i usually get a drain and refil of both differentials and the transmission every year or 10,000mi. I have about 5000mi on my ATF (subaru ATF-HP) and after couple days of spirited driving last weekend my car has started shifting really hard between 3-4 gear and it just drives rough in 3rd gear. Shift points haven't changed but the shift times seem actually faster and more sudden. Is this normal? There are no weird sounds, slippage or other signs of trouble. the car has 45k miles.
 
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Normally people want quicker shifts, not to sound like I'm insulting you, but are you mistaking the quicker shifts with "rough" shifts?

Also, why are you changing the fluid so often?
 
i know quicker is better, but rough shifting is not. It makes the drive uncomfrtable. Plus the shifting was fairly smooth before the fluid change and much smoother before the weekend drive.

I change fluid often because I drive the car fairly hard. lots of all wheel drive action (frquent lance changes, turns, merges, passing, etc) both city and highway. I do tow sometimes a 1000lbs trailer and when i'm not towing during summer, i haul my friends/family around.
 
Define your idea of spirited drives.....

Most anytime you have a different feel in the way your transmission acts after say a drive like ya stole it or an italian tune up it usually means some damage was done to the transmission.
This came from my brother that used to own a transmission shop until a few years ago now he works with me rebuilding engines in my shop but if anyone wants him please take him, lol
 
If it were my vehicle, I would clear the ecm via a scanner. Bet it smooth`s it out. (not a fan of the disconnecting the battery) but if it is the only way you can do it. Do it.
 
spirited I mean full throttle into twistis and downshifting using the sportshift at 4500rpm. I did about 15min of this. But i always had a bit of cooldown period drive after every 5-6 turns.

Sorry what's a scanner? Can an OBD2 reader like scangauge do this?
 
Have you checked your fluid levels?

You're beating that 2.5i more than most, but not necessarily to the point of causing damage. I've manually shifted autos in the past and been able to do so smoothly. I've also seen others do it, and it's a very uncomfortable, jerky ride. Like a manual, there are good and bad ways to manually shift an auto.

With that said, the 4EAT is ancient and pretty robust, so hopefully your issues stem from something simple and benign.

I'd never knock another man's lube habits, but I will say that were your 2.5i mine, I'd be extending out AT LEAST the diff fluid changes by > 4X longer than what you're currently doing. Your AWD system has open diffs in the front and rear, so it's not really working too hard to transfer traction. Harder than usual driving, IMO, would not require changes as frequently as a Scubie with LSD's.

Finally, and this is semantics, but your system is AWD, not 4WD.
 
Changing ATF won't protect you from damaging your transmission by beating on your car. Running any machine hard or "spirited" as you say will usually reduce the life of the machine. It's all just basic physics.
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
If it were my vehicle, I would clear the ecm via a scanner. Bet it smooth`s it out. (not a fan of the disconnecting the battery) but if it is the only way you can do it. Do it.

Good point a lot of people either don't realize or forget how important the trans control module is to modern automatic box performance.

This is a simple and quick thing to do. It could instantly solve your problem at NO cost and only a few minutes of your time.
 
first off thank you for the quick replies. I actually found that the problem was with the TCU (transmision control unit), thanks to you guys. Seems 4EAT is smarter than people give it credit for. I actually found out it has a performance map which is updated depending on how you drive it. It actually updates pretty quickly, maybe after 4-6 hours of driving?

Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Have you checked your fluid levels?

You're beating that 2.5i more than most, but not necessarily to the point of causing damage. I've manually shifted autos in the past and been able to do so smoothly. I've also seen others do it, and it's a very uncomfortable, jerky ride. Like a manual, there are good and bad ways to manually shift an auto.

With that said, the 4EAT is ancient and pretty robust, so hopefully your issues stem from something simple and benign.

I'd never knock another man's lube habits, but I will say that were your 2.5i mine, I'd be extending out AT LEAST the diff fluid changes by > 4X longer than what you're currently doing. Your AWD system has open diffs in the front and rear, so it's not really working too hard to transfer traction. Harder than usual driving, IMO, would not require changes as frequently as a Scubie with LSD's.

Finally, and this is semantics, but your system is AWD, not 4WD.


it's not a 2.5i, it's a 2.5GT, which is basically a WRX. It has the VTD all wheel drive system, which is more complicated than those found on the N/A versions. Has limited slip difs at rear and a center diff. I only drain and refil once. I do Not do the 3x3 drain and refil (drain once, refill, drive around...repeat 3 times). Fluid levels are good.

Originally Posted By: Fleetmon
Plus, how are you changing the fluid....if you're going with a "flush" then you might be detracting from your trans.


no flushing, I know that is not good, I followed the service manual suggestions.


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Originally Posted By: lexus114
If it were my vehicle, I would clear the ecm via a scanner. Bet it smooth`s it out. (not a fan of the disconnecting the battery) but if it is the only way you can do it. Do it.

Good point a lot of people either don't realize or forget how important the trans control module is to modern automatic box performance.

This is a simple and quick thing to do. It could instantly solve your problem at NO cost and only a few minutes of your time.


Yep, I just drove the car around smoothly and with light throttle touches and after 2 days now the shifting has gone back to normal. Smooth but slower now (i think it blips the throttle, that's why it seems slower?).
 
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Man, I'm not sure how I missed the "GT." Sorry about that. You're right, it's the same exact car as a 2008 WRX Auto, since the '09 WRX MT got the bump in power/suspension.

The rear is a VLSD, right? The front is also open. Regardless, 10k gear lube changes is incredibly short.

I still don't understand the 4WD thing.
 
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Man, I'm not sure how I missed the "GT." Sorry about that. You're right, it's the same exact car as a 2008 WRX Auto, since the '09 WRX MT got the bump in power/suspension.

The rear is a VLSD, right? The front is also open. Regardless, 10k gear lube changes is incredibly short.

I still don't understand the 4WD thing.


yes i sometimes confuse 2.5i with 2.5gt. i did gt my ecu reflashed though so that might have made it harder on transmission. im thinking of going back to factory default map ecu. yes rear is LSD, the central dif is also LSD i believe but front is open yes. i will extend my ATF if i dont get any high wear readings on my UOA. i mean i got the oil in bulk and its so easy to change atf, takes me 15min so why not.
 
Originally Posted By: pickler
Originally Posted By: gathermewool
Man, I'm not sure how I missed the "GT." Sorry about that. You're right, it's the same exact car as a 2008 WRX Auto, since the '09 WRX MT got the bump in power/suspension.

The rear is a VLSD, right? The front is also open. Regardless, 10k gear lube changes is incredibly short.

I still don't understand the 4WD thing.


yes i sometimes confuse 2.5i with 2.5gt. i did gt my ecu reflashed though so that might have made it harder on transmission. im thinking of going back to factory default map ecu. yes rear is LSD, the central dif is also LSD i believe but front is open yes. i will extend my ATF if i dont get any high wear readings on my UOA. i mean i got the oil in bulk and its so easy to change atf, takes me 15min so why not.


What did you use to reflash? Tactrix or Cobb Accessport? I'd say you're probably fine, so long as you shift properly (even though it's an automatic.)

The center is a gear-type LSD, but the rear is a viscous coupling (sealed,) if the internets are to be believed.

I know a lot of people on the Subie forums who think they know everything poo poo on a WRX with a slush box, but your AWD system really is superior to their MT WRX. You may not be able to row your own gears (in the traditional sense,) but transfer of traction between the axles will be better. Unfortunately, the 2.5GT didn't get the same power bump as the '09+ WRX, nor the suspension changes, IIRC.

You can change the oil as frequently as you like. I was just saying that I would extend out, is all. Regardless of price and ease of doing so, I'd see it as a waste and unnecessary based on how I drive. Even aggressively, changing out too frequently won't provide any benefit, IMHO.
 
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