Restore & Protect - GDI Intake Valve Deposits

I asked him if Red Line could clean and he said not really clean but "run clean". It really depends on the type of POE they're using. I have no idea about that.
Yep, the problem with esters is that while high solvency, their high polarity means they compete with AW additives for surface space, making those components less effective. AN's don't have that problem, as they are high solvency but not polar. But, esters are high VI with good cold temperature performance, which AN's are not.
 
I think this is generally correct as I understand it. That's why Valvoline is using words like "breakthrough" and "revolutionary." Their lead engineer worked at Infineum for 16 years. He said he's never seen anything like it.

Per the Valvoline patent, and formulation, Valvoline Premium Blue Restore was a 50% group V based product. It apparently takes a large % of AN and ester to clean piston deposits. AN's in lower doses won't clean but will run clean. High ester blends will run clean and clean up sludge/varnish, but removing piston deposits is no easy task, even for oils that are heavily ester based. Sludge and varnish, yes, piston deposits unlikely, unless you design the oil to be like Valvoline Premium Blue Restore.

My guess is HPL and Amsoil SS could maybe dissolve some piston deposits over time. To what extent I don't know because there has never been any actual testing done to prove it like Valvoline did using tear downs based on a modified IIIH test.
Or even liqui moly lifter additive? That's supposed to be like a less aggressive cleaner than their flush, something you can run the life of the oil not just 10 minutes at idle before an oil change.
 
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Like I said, I'm sure some oils that are high in ester or whatever else, might have shown some anecdotal cleaning results. But did the manufacturer themselves ever back that up or claim they could get 100% deposits within 4 oil changes or something like that? Did they ever actually give you a standard you could hold them to in terms of cleaning potential? Has anyone else done that yet?
I mean does a filet mignon say it will encourage muscle protein synthesis and won't convert to fat as long as you aren't in a calorie surplus? There are literally millions of products that do things they aren't marketed for. Key word here is marketing.... in this case valvoline capitalized on the lack of "cleaning" oils.
 
I mean does a filet mignon say it will encourage muscle protein synthesis and won't convert to fat as long as you aren't in a calorie surplus? There are literally millions of products that do things they aren't marketed for. Key word here is marketing.... in this case valvoline capitalized on the lack of "cleaning" oils.
That would be a pretty bit miss if you had a before and after photo showing the cleaning difference and didn't mention it in marketing at all.
 
I mean does a filet mignon say it will encourage muscle protein synthesis and won't convert to fat as long as you aren't in a calorie surplus? There are literally millions of products that do things they aren't marketed for. Key word here is marketing.... in this case valvoline capitalized on the lack of "cleaning" oils.
Dry aged, pasture fed, natural, no antibiotics, Wagyu, Premium, USDA Prime, Angus, etc. Not like everyone is just calling steaks “hunks of cow flesh you can turn into poop” either. Strategies are different sure but every product gets marketing jargon or something tied to it.
 
Dry aged, pasture fed, natural, no antibiotics, Wagyu, Premium, USDA Prime, Angus, etc. Not like everyone is just calling steaks “hunks of cow flesh you can turn into poop” either. Strategies are different sure but every product gets marketing jargon or something tied to it.
Correct, that's my point..... what are you looking to capture in the market.

That would be a pretty bit miss if you had a before and after photo showing the cleaning difference and didn't mention it in marketing at all.
That goes back to my marketing point... VRP is marketing cleaning. M1 EP, Castrol Gold, Amsoil SS, are marketing extended drain and maintaining cleanliness.

For example, Amsoil SS has a picture of a turbo. Not showing cleaning, it shows the ability to maintain cleanliness.
 
Correct, that's my point..... what are you looking to capture in the market.


That goes back to my marketing point... VRP is marketing cleaning. M1 EP, Castrol Gold, Amsoil SS, are marketing extended drain and maintaining cleanliness.

For example, Amsoil SS has a picture of a turbo. Not showing cleaning, it shows the ability to maintain cleanliness.
That goes back to my point, there's a difference between maintaining cleanliness, via a reduction of carbon buildup each year and actually cleaning the engine via removal of carbon deposits that have already formed.

Most of these oils are claiming that that they simply reduce the buildup and not even reduce it to zero. Where as restore and protect actually claims to remove and reverse build up. ie negative number territory.

So the question was: who else actually marketed the same thing besides restore and protect. And who else actually achieved the same results of removing piston ring deposits?
 
12:25 he does state that R&P can help with IVD buildup as you're still getting some of that oil on to the valves.


Some have suggested that Hyundai / Kia GDI engines wash a small amount of gas on the back of intake valves at start up to reduce intake valve deposits , if so than using top tier gas along with shorter OCI’s may help keep intake valve deposits at bay (no matter the oil brand).
 
This reminds me that I wanted to try the EC after at least 4 OCIs with the Valvoline Restore and Protect.

I could also check the engine (valve cover, intake, pistons, etc) to see what, if any cleaning is taking place, but I'm too lazy, not quite handy enough and cheap. Now if we was taking about tearing down the engine on a project car and not my commuter, that would be different and I would chance it.

For now I take it on faith.
Look into your oil fill access point, thats better then not looking at if there is progress. Even if you don't have deposits, you can watch the light varnish disappear.
 
That goes back to my marketing point... VRP is marketing cleaning. M1 EP, Castrol Gold, Amsoil SS, are marketing extended drain and maintaining cleanliness.

For example, Amsoil SS has a picture of a turbo. Not showing cleaning, it shows the ability to maintain cleanliness.
That's the difference. 100%.
 
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Nothing removes the GDI intake valve deposits worth a **** besides physical cleaning like a walnut shell blast.

If it's a turbo engine, the pressure drop caused by the intake valve deposit is there like a fart in the wind.
Yeah I highly doubt any oil can mitigate them. Maybe R&P/HPL could but it's doubtful IMO.
 
I'd be curious to see if any of the big shelf brands or the boutiques change something in the near future. We won't see sales data but walmart online was only showing 1 in stock VRP yesterday morning. I would imagine they are sending a ton of product to retailers
 
Valvoline Restore and Protect will not only clean intake valves, it will also clean your throttle body and intake manifold too! In fact, it also put a connecting rod back inside my engine block....car runs like new! Only thing is that you have to run it for over 30 OCI's for it to start to take effect.
 
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