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How 'bout this... A formulator can use 90% group I and 10% group III and legally call it semi-synthetic. Would you spend $5.00/qt to buy it?
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How 'bout this... A formulator can use 90% group I and 10% group III and legally call it semi-synthetic. Would you spend $5.00/qt to buy it?
Sorry there was supposed to be a lot more to that quote. Not just the drooling idiot and the thumbs up.
Basically just saying how thankful I was that you said that, and that I was not sure if we would have thought to do that on our own without you mentioning it. Also why did you wait so long to post this advice? Could have saved us all a lot of time.
Basically just saying how thankful I was that you said that, and that I was not sure if we would have thought to do that on our own without you mentioning it. Also why did you wait so long to post this advice? Could have saved us all a lot of time.
Thanks for contributing.
You helped me a lot.
As for "everyone feeling ripped off" I don't feel any such thing.
M1 has and will continue to do the job for me.
If I pay "too much" for it, that's my problem.
I don't shop at WalMart - my time is worth more than the old wives club bickering and running all over the planet looking to "save" a few bucks on an oil change.
If someone posts some DATA that M1 is no good or not as good as something else, then post it.
I'm not buying their gas anymore either. Plenty of Shell and Sunoco to purchase fuel from. Pennzoil fake syn on sale for cheaper than Mobil Dino. Simple choice...they want to F us like that charging PAO prices for the old fake-r-ooni, lie about it, cloud the issue, well, F em right back.
Why reward them?
Why reward them?
I don't get that all this time, nobody bothered top ask about this and that the cat is finally out of the bag.
People have been raving about M1 on this site since I joined, and now you're all dumping it over an email?
This may be the best entertainment here yet.
Next, we'll find out that the UOA's have been done in a Jr High school lab and that the results may be skewed?
Weren't all those glimmering reports based on this "phoney" oil?
People have been raving about M1 on this site since I joined, and now you're all dumping it over an email?
This may be the best entertainment here yet.
Next, we'll find out that the UOA's have been done in a Jr High school lab and that the results may be skewed?
Weren't all those glimmering reports based on this "phoney" oil?
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You are so out of the ballpark with the post you should have not even wasted your time typing it. My advice is to start at page 1/post 1 and re-evaluate your thoughts. And don't forget the three related posts as they may help clarify for you what is really happening.
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You are so out of the ballpark with the post you should have not even wasted your time typing it. My advice is to start at page 1/post 1 and re-evaluate your thoughts. And don't forget the three related posts as they may help clarify for you what is really happening.
Oh, what's really happening...
Yeah, i get that.
The point is that if M1 has had so many good UOAs and great commentary on it for so long, does it really matter?
________, nobody can even agree on what makes a true synthetic or semi for that matter.
The jabber on all of the specs on oil simply seem to defy any real explanation.
It's as if the accountants figured out a way to help the scientists and marketers pull the wool over all of our eyes.
OK, I get it. Now, if M1 sucks = prove it. That's all I'm asking.
If it's simply overpriced III, then sue Mobil for false advertising.
I agree totally with your comments. No mfg of any highly complex substance would release it's exact makeup to the public or anyone else outside of their organization; they aren't stupid.
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I read that link too and it is pretty good reading. Also, I'm completely with you on that statement. It seems we may be getting somewhere with all of this.
That quote in NO WAY indicates that Mobil 1 uses any Group III or uses the type of basestock spoken of in the quote. The quote ONLY defines the word "Semi-Synthetics".
The same people that don't understand the anti-syntec sentiment are the same ones who are going to have problems with this. It's bait and switch ScottB. Mobil1 has impressed upon EVERYONE that nothing performs like PAO and that group III is not worth the price. Performance be d.amned, it's NOT the issue. Tom himself says it's not going to sway his reliance upon Mobil1.
If Mobil1 were any other company coming out with a group III and saying "Hey, look how well this performs!" There'd be no issue. It's the history of the whole synth debate that is the problem here, not the performance of Mobil1. Which, by the way, yes, some people HAVE had problems with and posted accordingly in UOAs.
If Mobil1 were any other company coming out with a group III and saying "Hey, look how well this performs!" There'd be no issue. It's the history of the whole synth debate that is the problem here, not the performance of Mobil1. Which, by the way, yes, some people HAVE had problems with and posted accordingly in UOAs.
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All of the late-comers and people that are not understanding these threads need to read this post over and over and over..
Assuming Mobil 1 is by far the biggest selling synthetic oil on the market, the number of complaints would be much greater than other brands. I am sure some people have had problems with ALL brands of synthetics depending on application and engine condition.
& they say...SoCalifornians are superficial....nawwww...
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All of the late-comers and people that are not understanding these threads need to read this post over and over and over..
Well, thanks..and you too, to buster! I just don't understand why this is so hard to impress upon some people.
M1 should have deprogrammed us before this was discovered.
I was upset with Castrol when it turned out that most grades of Syntec were no longer PAO/ Ester. I do feel like it is bait and switch to tout the benefits of Synthetic oil and then switch to Group III.
If it wasn't for BITOG and the good info on GC, I never would have purchased Castrol again, nor stocked up on green GC 0W-30.
But even now that I've learned that Castrol does make a few good products like GC, Transynd, probably the custom blends for VW and BMW....I still feel ripped off by Castrol and don't trust them as a company anymore.
Mobil 1 and Castrol convinced us that synthetics oil was superior, but made from expensive ingredients so we had to spend more money for the best oils.
Now that our buying habits have changed and fully synthetic oil is established as a $6.00 / qt product, and the Syntec and Mobil 1 brand names are established, I feel cheated and ripped off by companies making the $6.00 / qt product with cheaper ingredients and not lowering the price or telling the customer the truth.
I have a hard time with buying expensive oils made with cheaper ingredients .... and the best the companies can offer is that they used better additives or that Group III is full synthetic, when I think Hydrocracked Synthetic is more truthful and informative .
So what is Mobil 1 thinking if they really do start to change the formula of their 'fully synthetic' Mobil 1?
I can believe that Group III might perform nearly as well as Group IV or V in some circumstances, and possible even better than Group IV or V in certain narrowly defined areas.
But don't expect consumers like me not to be angry and lose confidence with a brand name like Mobil 1 when they 'bait and switch'.
This throws the conventional / synthetic oil buying process into utter confusion.
Other than oils like Redline, and my stash of GC...I don't know who to trust.
If full synthetics are not full synthetics but hydrocracked synthetics……and most GF-4 / SM rated oils are so much better….then this makes buying oils on sale like Chevron, Havoline, TropArtic, Motorcraft, Pennzoil Platinum seem more reasonable than paying $6.00 /qt + for Syntec and Mobil 1 .
What will Mobil 1 or Synthec have to offer [ other than Marketing Hype ] if the contents are increasingly more and more similar in terms of actual production cost or real world performance?
Looks like I'm buying Redline, Amsoil for full synthetics, and Pennzoil Platinum for premium Group III, or Havoline/ TropArtic, Motorcraft for great value oil with some Group III content.
Castrol and Mobil 1 are going to have to produce some incredibly compelling proof of performance and value to convince me to buy their Syntec or Movbil 1 brands again.
If it wasn't for BITOG and the good info on GC, I never would have purchased Castrol again, nor stocked up on green GC 0W-30.
But even now that I've learned that Castrol does make a few good products like GC, Transynd, probably the custom blends for VW and BMW....I still feel ripped off by Castrol and don't trust them as a company anymore.
Mobil 1 and Castrol convinced us that synthetics oil was superior, but made from expensive ingredients so we had to spend more money for the best oils.
Now that our buying habits have changed and fully synthetic oil is established as a $6.00 / qt product, and the Syntec and Mobil 1 brand names are established, I feel cheated and ripped off by companies making the $6.00 / qt product with cheaper ingredients and not lowering the price or telling the customer the truth.
I have a hard time with buying expensive oils made with cheaper ingredients .... and the best the companies can offer is that they used better additives or that Group III is full synthetic, when I think Hydrocracked Synthetic is more truthful and informative .
So what is Mobil 1 thinking if they really do start to change the formula of their 'fully synthetic' Mobil 1?
I can believe that Group III might perform nearly as well as Group IV or V in some circumstances, and possible even better than Group IV or V in certain narrowly defined areas.
But don't expect consumers like me not to be angry and lose confidence with a brand name like Mobil 1 when they 'bait and switch'.
This throws the conventional / synthetic oil buying process into utter confusion.
Other than oils like Redline, and my stash of GC...I don't know who to trust.
If full synthetics are not full synthetics but hydrocracked synthetics……and most GF-4 / SM rated oils are so much better….then this makes buying oils on sale like Chevron, Havoline, TropArtic, Motorcraft, Pennzoil Platinum seem more reasonable than paying $6.00 /qt + for Syntec and Mobil 1 .
What will Mobil 1 or Synthec have to offer [ other than Marketing Hype ] if the contents are increasingly more and more similar in terms of actual production cost or real world performance?
Looks like I'm buying Redline, Amsoil for full synthetics, and Pennzoil Platinum for premium Group III, or Havoline/ TropArtic, Motorcraft for great value oil with some Group III content.
Castrol and Mobil 1 are going to have to produce some incredibly compelling proof of performance and value to convince me to buy their Syntec or Movbil 1 brands again.
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