Replacing oil drain plug with generic screw?

Status
Not open for further replies.
Joined
Jul 16, 2005
Messages
417
Location
Glendale
To make a long story short, I need a new oil drain plug. I am ultra frugal and based on the principle, I won't spend $4 on a little screw, unless it poses problems. Can I just replace it with a generic bolt and washer from the hardware store? If it's the same size (17mm), will it work ok?
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
To make a long story short, I need a new oil drain plug. I am ultra frugal and based on the principle, I won't spend $4 on a little screw, unless it poses problems. Can I just replace it with a generic bolt and washer from the hardware store? If it's the same size (17mm), will it work ok?


Good lord. Don't be so tight. You can get an actual drain plug cheap from any auto parts store. Just go in and have them look it up for you.

Or would you rather spend $1 on a random bolt that fits, then have to replace it and spend $3 on a new bolt anyway as well as having to spend more on new oil. If you're frugal I would say to do it right the first time.

Do you want to cry once or twice?
 
Last edited:
AFAIK, you don't want the drain plug to be made of a much different metal from the oil pan, otherwise it might get stuck over time.
 
Dont want to skimp on it unless you like rusted drain plugs. Get it from NAPA, they have magnets if your OEM did and don't rust.
 
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
To make a long story short, I need a new oil drain plug. I am ultra frugal and based on the principle, I won't spend $4 on a little screw, unless it poses problems. Can I just replace it with a generic bolt and washer from the hardware store? If it's the same size (17mm), will it work ok?


The big question is why do you need a new drain plug? Is it or the oil pan stripped?

If so, you could duct tape a plastic bag to the bottom part of the engine so you don't have to spend the money on a new oil pan.

Now that I think about it, duct tape would make an excellent drain plug fix. Ask Red Green!
 
Last edited:
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
To make a long story short, I need a new oil drain plug. I am ultra frugal and based on the principle, I won't spend $4 on a little screw, unless it poses problems. Can I just replace it with a generic bolt and washer from the hardware store? If it's the same size (17mm), will it work ok?


There is a difference between being frugal and cheap. Your idea is the latter!

Besides that you are probably not going to find a regular 17mm bolt at the auto parts or hardware store.
 
There's nothing special about the drain plugs sold in auto stores. Any steel bolt with the same diameter, pitch and length will do but good luck finding a stubby metric bolt at a hardware store. I've never tried so I can't say for sure but if it were me I'd just buy it at an auto parts store for $2 because you MIGHT be able to find it at Lowes or HD but will surely be a hassle. I'd try Lowes first, last time I was there I saw an automotive cabinet in the hardware section but it was mostly plastic clips for interiors. Didn't notice if they had drain plugs.
 
Last edited:
And you're not looking for a 17mm screw. You're looking for a 10mm cap screw (they're classified by diameter not the head size).
 
Buy a magnetic oil pan drain plug for $4. OR buy the wrong size and strip the oil pan and buy a new pan for $200 OR buy the wrong size and lose all of your oil on the freeway and then:
15.gif
 
Originally Posted By: PT1
OR buy the wrong size and strip the oil pan and buy a new pan for $200 OR buy the wrong size and lose all of your oil on the freeway and then:
15.gif



You'd have to be a moron to get the wrong size. If it's impossible to turn, its too big, if it goes all the way in without any turning, its too small. If it turns once or twice and then gets impossibly hard, its the wrong pitch. There's no SAE size that's "close" to M10.

If the guy wants to save a few bucks by running around town let him.

Make sure you get an M10x10mm or M10x15mm Flange Hex Head. DO NOT get a serrated flange.
 
I'm in the same boat. I am pretty frugal too. But when it comes to a simple part, or a HUGE hassle. I am going to choose the simple part.
If it is stripped they make over size plugs that are self tapping.
If not I would also suggest the magnetic ones from NAPA.

Buy a good part once and pay up front, buy a cheap part and pay many times over.
 
Originally Posted By: tom slick
Originally Posted By: Chuck1986
To make a long story short, I need a new oil drain plug. I am ultra frugal and based on the principle, I won't spend $4 on a little screw, unless it poses problems. Can I just replace it with a generic bolt and washer from the hardware store? If it's the same size (17mm), will it work ok?


There is a difference between being frugal and cheap. Your idea is the latter!

Besides that you are probably not going to find a regular 17mm bolt at the auto parts or hardware store.


I agree there is a big difference between frugal and cheap.
 
Originally Posted By: holla
Originally Posted By: PT1
OR buy the wrong size and strip the oil pan and buy a new pan for $200 OR buy the wrong size and lose all of your oil on the freeway and then:
15.gif



You'd have to be a moron to get the wrong size. If it's impossible to turn, its too big, if it goes all the way in without any turning, its too small. If it turns once or twice and then gets impossibly hard, its the wrong pitch. There's no SAE size that's "close" to M10.

If the guy wants to save a few bucks by running around town let him.

Make sure you get an M10x10mm or M10x15mm Flange Hex Head. DO NOT get a serrated flange.


What thread is M10x10mm or M10x15mm? Are you sure that's what he needs?

BTW, smarty pants, if it's for the car listed in his signature then it's a M14x1.5. Dorman lists them for $2.
 
Drain plugs often have special features. Some have magnets, which probably have only token usefulness cleaning the oil but do give a visual estimate of wear particles. Others are hollow, so that the impact wrench snaps them off rather than strip the oil pan threads. They might have a short unthreaded shoulder to center the sealing washer, or formed rings rather than flat sealing surface.

Drain plugs are usually inexpensive. BMW, often considered a brand with high prices, charges only $3-$4 for their special hollow oil drain plugs.
 
Metric hardware isn't cheap. You'll probably pay as much at Home Depot for a metric bolt that fits as you would at Autozone for the proper drain plug that fits.
 
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
AFAIK, you don't want the drain plug to be made of a much different metal from the oil pan, otherwise it might get stuck over time.


So why does GM use steel drain plugs in their cast aluminum oil pans?

Watch the thread pitch. I think drain plugs us a special coarse thread.

I have been very disappointed with the quality of bolts from HD. I buy most of mine at the local Ace Hardware. They are cheaper and better. I blame them for HD closing their store here.
 
Actually M10 is unambiguous. It means 10mm OD x 1.5mm pitch. "Standard" metric pitches are referred to in this way (M5 is understood to have a pitch of 0.8, etc.) You only have to specify pitch in a non-standard metric screw, 10x1.25 would be a fine-pitch 10mm bolt. (SAE Sizes always specify pitch 10-32, 10-24, 1/4-20 etc.)

Anyhow, you're right, I don't know for sure he needs an M10. He said he needed a 17mm, I assumed because he used a 17mm socket to get it off. A standard M10 Hex Head Cap Screw (HHCS) has a 17mm head width.

It's very possible, especially with a drain plug that the head and OD are mismatched. My coolant plug in the block has a 19mm head with about a 24mm fine thread. If this is the case, you won't find it in a hardware store unless they specifically sell assorted drain plugs in an automotive hardware section (like the one I've seen at Lowes).

Like I said, good luck with that. I'd probably spend the $2 at advance myself unless I happened to be making a trip to Lowes for another reason. But all I'm saying is that if the guy does find an assortment of drain plugs at the hardware store, it wouldn't be difficult to make sure you have the right size and pitch by comparing to the old plug (for pitch see if the threads mesh perfectly when the two are held side-to-side).

Also, if the pan is just buggered up because you cross-threaded it, Oreilly's loans tap sets.
 
For everyone telling me "it's just $4":
Yes, it's cheap. Yes, it's very affordable. BUT it's the principle of the matter - I'm not one to let myself get ripped off on something stupid like this.

If you go to a baseball game, do you hesitate when they charge you $4 for a bottle of water? Same principle applies here. Again, it's not about affordability, it's about adhering to the principles of frugality. If everybody did this, they wouldn't get away with these bogus prices!!
 
Maybe there really is a reason why the bolt costs $4, though. Drain bolts are important.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom