Replacement for an OEM Toyota Filter - 2003 Matrix

[Hessam]

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I do think however that toyota engineers do know what they are doing.

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Same guys who designed the 22RE blow out seals and the sludge motors? 

I would love to see how these filters perform. I don’t think you can tell by looking how well they actually filter. Are there any specifications or test data available?

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My 22RE (87 4Runner) has over 300K Miles on it. Never had any isssues with the engine... In fact the engine was never opened until I decided to upgrade the timing chain rails guides to LC engineering metal guides.

Even those Sludge engines that you mention all ran for a very long time without any problems.
I am not trying to defend their problems, every car manufacturer has made mistakes in the past, and recalled certain models for whatever reason. However when you look at total overall quality Toyota/Lexus is certainly in the top 5 of all car manufacturers, so yes I would comfortably say that they know what they are doing.

Also had a 1987 Corolla FX16 GTS which went over 425K miles and was still running before I donated it to Salvation Army. And aside from 3 timing belts that engine was never opened for any major work either. Toyota Engines are designed to last a very long time.

I certainly don't have the means to test the 10004/20004 filters in terms of filter effecincy, but just by looking the filter mediums my guess is that it can probably match if not come very close to the EaO and other premium filters.

When you can buy the 10004/20004 filters for less than $10 shipped, to me it's a no brainer.

And there must be a reason that toyota puts these type of filter on pretty much all of it's engine assemblies at the factory.

 

[toocrazy2yoo]

Wantin, you have a ton of choices in Wix and PureOne for $6.50 and $5.88. Your filter boss id 3/4-16 and there are a LOT of oversize options in Wix and PureOne that carry the identical bypass pressures, O-Ring sizes and with better ADBV, glass media and bypass systems. All of these are good for two 7K OCI, too, especially in oversize. I'm pretty limited in oversize filters to Wix's that they never seem to have in stock (20MM X 1.5), or the dixie cup tiny PureOnes in 14459.

Me, I've about had it with Hyundai's OEM filter myself. I used a PureOne this past winter and springtime for 13.5K and two OCI and a simple wipe with the paper towel restored the shine on the outside to brand new. Further, you couldn't drain the filter after all that time the ADBV was so tight. The media was clean and neat, too ( my 1.6 AccentGt ain't exactly a stress on oil or filter). However, these Hyundai OEM filters, after a 4.5K OCI of Havoline are corroded at the lower seam simply from the rain and summertime drizzle and residue and one I used last fall into December was leaking oil from the corroded seam. At the Hyundai stealer, these things are $8.00 and the factory demands they be used instead of after market, supposedly for flow issues. I'm sick of the rolled seam showing oil after a lousy 4500 miles of summertime (no salt) conditions. Also, the ADBV allowed the filter to completely drain in about 15 seconds tilted down at a 45 degree angle. This is the second time I've changed the oil way ahead of time because of these filters and their corrosion. Maybe other brands of OEM are better, but something tells me they're all like this. I called the dealer about it, he said it's common knowledge and is one more reason you should come in for an oil change every 3K. Sure. Check. Roger that. Not.

I think it's incredibly naive for anyone to think that the econo-box manufacturers who carry their own branded filter at twice the price for half the quality have the best filter because "they know what they're doing". Their bean counters know what they're doing, the engineers have got to be getting pushed off to the corners.