So, the car might start with the ignition disabled and the spark plugs removed?
Remote start- Whiteface Ford has a deep concern
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Thats it. From here forward all shops must be wrapped completely in tinfoil.
What I mean if the automaker thought it was a problem then they could update the app to make sure the car is locked.
They could go beyond that easily - and create a service mode that could easily be enabled via 2 way OBD - if they thought it was an issue.
The only way it can be an issue is if the OEM lets it be.
The belts and fan wilk still turn
Co-worker is from Europe and we were discussing remote start. Another co-worker has a newer Toyota and the key-fob-remote-start works on it though Toyota doesn't seem to publicize this much. The one from Europe mentioned his car has remote start but a) he doesn't like letting cars idle (he starts his and drives off in 2 seconds, no matter the temperature) and b) "remote start isn't allowed in Europe". Well, to clarify, it's not that remote starting isn't allowed, but you're not allowed to leave vehicles idling.
That's not entirely accurate. I'll guarantee you that no automaker app has a "schedule a remote start" function. Not sure about Android, but on iPhone, use the "Shortcuts" app to launch an app at a scheduled time. Problem is, that's all it does - launch the app. It can't do anything else, i.e. control the app, do things inside the app. I think the claim in the OP's link is probably fake drama.
Looks like Toyota isn't dumb like Ford when it comes to this. The remote start via the app seems to have multiple fail-safes.
- I opened the hood, tried to remote-start, and it first fails because the doors aren't locked.
- Tried to remotely lock the doors - fails because the hood is open.
- With hood still open, used the key fob to lock the doors. This works.
- With hood open, tried to remote start, and get this message:
Here's the video:
According to multiple comments, remote-start doesn't work if the hood is open so this is all kind of moot....
As far as scheduling remote starts, uhhh, yeah, apparently that's something stupid that Ford designed into their app ! There are so many reasons this should NOT be possible.
According to multiple comments, remote-start doesn't work if the hood is open so this is all kind of moot....
As far as scheduling remote starts, uhhh, yeah, apparently that's something stupid that Ford designed into their app ! There are so many reasons this should NOT be possible.
Of course anyone can sue for anything but why would this open them up to a lawsuit?
This story is confusing me now. So do engineers know best or don’t?
I updated my "thought" in a later post. I still stand by the "that's stupid" part or whatever I said about it though !
As a software engineer does not seem far fetched to add logic by vin likely stored or other vehicle unique id to block remote start which is likely a cloud application.
Also add an interface for service to lock it out if they choose with a reasonable expiration date/time because they will forget to remove.
Also add an interface for service to lock it out if they choose with a reasonable expiration date/time because they will forget to remove.
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They fixed it because idling a vehicle is illegal in Germany due to emmission requirements, not because it's unsafe. Can't get a Macan with remote start, even in North America.
Lol, but the Jeep will remote start if the doors are off. Funniest thing ever. Also slams you into park if you open the door while you are driving (like backing up to something etc). But take the doors off and no issues!
My wife would object to that....
Depending on the weather (really cold or really hot), she remote starts it at work, at the grocery, etc.
In case there was any doubt I just tried starting my 2025 Bronco with the app and the hood open. It didn’t start, just honked the horn 2 times five seconds apart.
