Remote start- Whiteface Ford has a deep concern

Yes, our 2019 Toyota had it. It was free for a year and then its a annual service fee. I never use remote start but tried it once for giggles, then obviosly allowed it to laps.

The whole thing is just another attempt by the Auto OEM's to generate recurring revenue.
My RAV4 is the same way. Besides annual subscription for remote start, it also included tire pressure readings. That should be included for free.
 
Whiteface Ford posts some great videos.

The owner of Whiteface Ford recently posted a significant concern. Ford's remote start (from Ford's Android/ iPhone application.

The owner's concern is that one can program a smartphone to remote start a Ford truck, just like a daily alarm clock can be pre-programmed on a smart phone. Or a person might remote start a different vehicle than they thought.

The owner noted what happens when a technician is under the hood, working on a ford truck, and a person engages the remote start, could ended up injuring or worse the technician. Secondly, what happens is remote start is activated by mistake during a oil change, at the moment the oil is be drained or just finished draining.

Real life problem, and Whiteface implies Ford doesn't have a disable safety feature for a tech to disable remote start, that doesn't require significant downloading of software and configuration after remote start is disabled.
I can't imagine how someone could accidentally start a car unless they're just messing with the app. In any case it's not difficult to program failsafe. For example requiring that the vehicle doors are locked.
 
I can't imagine how someone could accidentally start a car unless they're just messing with the app. In any case it's not difficult to program failsafe. For example requiring that the vehicle doors are locked.
The Kia Forte that I just traded off can be set to start itself through the kia app at 6:00 a.m. every day. I actually discovered late last week that my car has been sitting at their dealership starting itself at 6:00 a.m. and running for 10 minutes every week day since I traded it, because I forgot to turn off the feature until this weekend. Car dealerships are going to have to catch up with this technology because if I wanted to, I could unlock the car, start it, and set off a panic alarm anytime I wanted to. I can also see the car's exact GPS location. Naturally, I'm not going to use this ability for evil, but there are people who might. Right now I don't know if the Mazda dealership could get into a Kia and turn off this functionality. But as a response to the original post, the Kia will not remote start with the hood open.
 
I can't imagine any shop procedure where the hood isn't at least in the released position. I've never seen a legitimate remote start feature function with the hood ajar.
 
For those of you who think the hood is always open:

Have you ever worked as a tech in a shop?
Could a vehicle be on the top lock with the hood open?
 
The Kia Forte that I just traded off can be set to start itself through the kia app at 6:00 a.m. every day. I actually discovered late last week that my car has been sitting at their dealership starting itself at 6:00 a.m. and running for 10 minutes every week day since I traded it, because I forgot to turn off the feature until this weekend. Car dealerships are going to have to catch up with this technology because if I wanted to, I could unlock the car, start it, and set off a panic alarm anytime I wanted to. I can also see the car's exact GPS location. Naturally, I'm not going to use this ability for evil, but there are people who might. Right now I don't know if the Mazda dealership could get into a Kia and turn off this functionality. But as a response to the original post, the Kia will not remote start with the hood open.
Which is fine but if it were such an issue then disable the start time feature or program that the doors are locked.
 
For those of you who think the hood is always open:

Have you ever worked as a tech in a shop?
Could a vehicle be on the top lock with the hood open?
If the vehicle's roof isn't hitting the shop ceiling, neither is a hood which has been released but still has the secondary catch engaged.
If customers walking around with access to their second key haven't been a problem so far, neither is the app. The safeguards are the same - only the specific trigger (ie. scheduled in app) to start the car is "new".

From the Viper 5606V manual:

https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/OG/Viper/G5606V 2016-02 web.pdf

"Smart Start operation
Smart Start uses the settings for Timer Start in addition to tempera-
ture and battery level to automatically start the engine. Activation
begins the countdown timer. When the timer expires the vehicle
interior temperature and battery level is checked and, if the Tem-
perature is above 100°F, below 0°F, or the battery level is be-
low 10.5V, the engine will start. When the Remote Start runtime
expires, the engine shuts off, and the countdown timer restarts.
Smart Start is exited after the final start"


Pop the hood. Problem solved. Nothing new.
 
Whiteface Ford posts some great videos.

The owner of Whiteface Ford recently posted a significant concern. Ford's remote start (from Ford's Android/ iPhone application.

The owner's concern is that one can program a smartphone to remote start a Ford truck, just like a daily alarm clock can be pre-programmed on a smart phone. Or a person might remote start a different vehicle than they thought.

The owner noted what happens when a technician is under the hood, working on a ford truck, and a person engages the remote start, could ended up injuring or worse the technician. Secondly, what happens is remote start is activated by mistake during a oil change, at the moment the oil is be drained or just finished draining.

Real life problem, and Whiteface implies Ford doesn't have a disable safety feature for a tech to disable remote start, that doesn't require significant downloading of software and configuration after remote start is disabled.
You'e saying you can set the app to start the vehicle at some future time? If so, that is a really stupid "feature".

Scott
 
I can't imagine any shop procedure where the hood isn't at least in the released position. I've never seen a legitimate remote start feature function with the hood ajar.
I relooked at the video, and I was wrong, the truck can't be remote started with the hood open or a door open.

Here is the video:
 
Just need to train everyone including the oil changers to at least pop the hood if not open it fully before draining any oil. That is a good practice anyway. The hood open will remind you that some work is incomplete, the car is not ready to go.

I don't see this being Ford's problem other than that they need to make it clear that is how the system works.
 
Hood open is one of many interlocks that should be implemented, not the only one. ie doors lock, in park, hood closed, etc.
Our Toyota tells us if the windows are down, moonroof is open, doors are unlocked, etc. It won't remote-start if the doors are unlocked, I know that for sure. I might test the hood-open-remote-start this evening.... or door-open....
 
I very rarely disconnect batteries unless I'm concerned about a direct short while messing with wiring. I also worry about losing throttle trims and such and then wondering if it's running poorly after the repair because of ME or because it's still working out throttle trim. Mid-2000 Toyotas can be particularly bad about even starting once power is lost.

However there was a CCN vid where *something* jumps in the valvetrain/timing chain when plugged back in and he said mechanics have seriously injured their hands because the battery was not disconnected. I don't recall now exactly what this was....but if I'm going as deep as timing chains I do disconnect the battery.
 
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