Redline 5w-30 or 5w-40 to reduce wear in e46 with 310k miles

[TwoC400s]

I think the consensus here is "dance with the one that brought you."

If Castrol/Mobil 1 Euros got you to this point, and the the engine doesn't knock/clank/clatter/smoke/leak why change anything?

 

[mckenzie333]

Actually it’s Ow49.

And to the OP what you’re using is fine. Use Red Line if you want but wear isn’t the improvement with an oil like Red Line.

Thank you Kshachn for this helpful insight. I wonder what might be (if any) advantages to Redline 5w30 ( white bottle/high performance). It is obtainable for almost free

 

[mckenzie333]

PPE is between 3.8 and 3.9cP.
PPE is very good oil. GTL base will benefit HTHS and low Noack.
But don't get stuck on HTHS. Wear does not go down just because HTHS is a bit higher. Thicker oil will also create more resistance and generate more heat.
Remember rule: "as thin as possible, as thick as necessary."

Thank you Edyvw- I will remember that principle. I agree Castrol 0w 30 is a leading choice but I have been reflecting and wonder if Redline 5w30 is almost as good ( or am I unaware (not impossible lol) of something/s. At this point Castrol 0w30 appears better for me than Mobil1. I should add it is possible to get Redline for almost free from FCP

 

[mckenzie333]

Thanks Jag- the points you make reflect thorough analysis- I wonder what the HTHS is for the Pp or QS - certainly PP can be argued to be as good as M1 And Castrol 0w30 ? All three seem great

Thanks again Jag - I have been reflecting a bit on your comments and Edyvw’s and have learned more than a bit. I have a Pennzoil Euro vs Pennzoil Ultra question that I wonder if you could speak to. I noticed that Pennzoil puts PP Euro in its full synthetic but not its ultra performance/ Ultra Platinum line. A recent analysis on YouTube showed the Ultra Platinum oils had a higher quality base oil/ additive mix with esters (boron esters). I wonder if the Ultra Platinum 0w40 might work well ? Appreciate your input

 

[mckenzie333]

Thanks again Jag - I have been reflecting a bit on your comments and Edyvw’s and have learned more than a bit. I have a Pennzoil Euro vs Pennzoil Ultra question that I wonder if you could speak to. I noticed that Pennzoil puts PP Euro in its full synthetic but not its ultra performance/ Ultra Platinum line. A recent analysis on YouTube showed the Ultra Platinum oils had a higher quality base oil/ additive mix with esters (boron esters). I wonder if the Ultra Platinum 0w40 might work well ? Appreciate your input

Higher that is than their Platinum line of oils

 

[edyvw]

Thanks again Jag - I have been reflecting a bit on your comments and Edyvw’s and have learned more than a bit. I have a Pennzoil Euro vs Pennzoil Ultra question that I wonder if you could speak to. I noticed that Pennzoil puts PP Euro in its full synthetic but not its ultra performance/ Ultra Platinum line. A recent analysis on YouTube showed the Ultra Platinum oils had a higher quality base oil/ additive mix with esters (boron esters). I wonder if the Ultra Platinum 0w40 might work well ? Appreciate your input

Ultra vs. Platinum in your case or Euro vehicle case is irrelevant. What matters are approvals.
Ultra 5W30 is ILSAC oil and it won’t cut for your BMW. It has lower HTHS, and it is designed for vehicles like my Toyota.
Ultra Platinum 0W40 is SRT oil and it is quite unremarkable. Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5W40 is far better option.

 

[edyvw]

Thank you Edyvw- I will remember that principle. I agree Castrol 0w 30 is a leading choice but I have been reflecting and wonder if Redline 5w30 is almost as good ( or am I unaware (not impossible lol) of something/s. At this point Castrol 0w30 appears better for me than Mobil1. I should add it is possible to get Redline for almost free from FCP

Redline is good oil, but it is more of a track oil. I would stick to Casttol Edge 0W30.

 

[JAG]

Due to the last SDS I saw and the very low volatility, I think PP Euro 5W-40 has mostly or maybe entirely GTL base oils, which are very close to PAO in properties/performance. There may be some alkylated naphthalene as well. Those are not listed in SDS and nothing in a VOA shows them. It does not seem to contain ester base oils, according to VOAs. I do not think Pennzoil Ultra Platinum has a better base oil mix, even if it contains a small amount of esters. I think I know which video of Lakespeed Jr’s video you got the information you referenced. The 5W-40 Euro additive package is unique in the Pennzoil lineup. I do not think it is safe to say that Pennzoil Ultra Platinum additive package is overall better than Euro 5W-40’s additive package. LS Jr looked at additive elements of Ultra Platinum and Platinum, then concluded the former is better than the latter, if I recall correctly. It probably is better because one would expect the better additive package in the more expensive oil. But the Platinum oil he looked at was not Euro 5W-40 and nobody can look at additive elements in a UOA or VOA and say one is better than the other. Yet, people think they can. Some things can be inferred but one being better than the other overall is not one of them.

 

[tblt44]

Thanks- I thought that might be the case. Your input makes me wonder if there is some other improvement to support Redline. I’m not sure if high esters would hurt or help. The car isn’t burning oil or leaking right now ( so great lol)

How is a e46 with 310k not leaking from somewhere?
I maintained a e46 for 11 years fixed a ew leaks and didn't fix a few it was only at 189k

 

[mckenzie333]

Due to the last SDS I saw and the very low volatility, I think PP Euro 5W-40 has mostly or maybe entirely GTL base oils, which are very close to PAO in properties/performance. There may be some alkylated naphthalene as well. Those are not listed in SDS and nothing in a VOA shows them. It does not seem to contain ester base oils, according to VOAs. I do not think Pennzoil Ultra Platinum has a better base oil mix, even if it contains a small amount of esters. I think I know which video of Lakespeed Jr’s video you got the information you referenced. The 5W-40 Euro additive package is unique in the Pennzoil lineup. I do not think it is safe to say that Pennzoil Ultra Platinum additive package is overall better than Euro 5W-40’s additive package. LS Jr looked at additive elements of Ultra Platinum and Platinum, then concluded the former is better than the latter, if I recall correctly. It probably is better because one would expect the better additive package in the more expensive oil. But the Platinum oil he looked at was not Euro 5W-40 and nobody can look at additive elements in a UOA or VOA and say one is better than the other. Yet, people think they can. Some things can be inferred but one being better than the other overall is not one of them.

Thank you again - that is exactly the video I spoke of. I appreciate your thorough (and compelling) analysis. I feel with your and Edyvw’s patient comprehensive help I have my answers. Castrol 0w30 and Pp 5w40 euro are both great. Now I need to flip a coin to see which one to try first. So great, you guys- thanks again

 

[mckenzie333]

How is a e46 with 310k not leaking from somewhere?
I maintained a e46 for 11 years fixed a ew leaks and didn't fix a few it was only at 189k

It is only after fixing the two coolant pipes near the engine block that the e46 has been free of leaks. The oil filter housing gasket and valve cover have all been replaced in the last 60k mi. Totally worth it

 

[mckenzie333]

Redline is good oil, but it is more of a track oil. I would stick to Casttol Edge 0W30.

Most helpful. I may have an urge to try something good but also new to me. Would Motul 8100 x chess 5w40 gen 2 be acceptable (also would the Redline be if not as good but still quite good for my e46 ? After this I believe we have reviewed all contenders lol

 

[edyvw]

Most helpful. I may have an urge to try something good but also new to me. Would Motul 8100 x chess 5w40 gen 2 be acceptable (also would the Redline be if not as good but still quite good for my e46 ? After this I believe we have reviewed all contenders lol

I use Motul X-Cess GEN2, on street and track. Excellent oil.
Redline is very good oil. But additive package and base stocks are geared to track/racing. Wear is not an issue there. Deposits, gasket failure might.

 

[mckenzie333]

I use Motul X-Cess GEN2, on street and track. Excellent oil.
Redline is very good oil. But additive package and base stocks are geared to track/racing. Wear is not an issue there. Deposits, gasket failure might.

Sincerely appreciate input- I think I may give Motul a go

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

BMW Owners: I want to make this last 500,000 miles
BMW: After charging a subscription fee for the heated seats can we make the engine block out of plastic?

 

[FlyingTexan]

Also QS Euro 5w40 is great as well. Loads of approvals and for me was easier to find. The 5w40 I believe has a HTHS of 3.88 which should be the same as the Pennzoil Euro. I always ordered from Walmart and the Pennzoil was generally harder to find but the QS was at my doorstep next day generally for $22 for 5qt.

But if you're going to be running that thing for a long while still I'd consider FCP Euro to get your oil and filters and change more often. Take the whole extended drain interval and toss it. Whatever BMW had planned it wasn't for a 310k mile engine lol. Good job!

 

[svenson]

there are many out there with these miles..

 

[FlyingTexan]

there are many out there with these miles..

Yes. Doesn't change what I stated.

 

[mckenzie333]

Sincerely appreciate input- I think I may give Motul a go

Motul 5w40 has been performing very well for last 1500 miles. The car seems to run stronger and smoother and has a more solid feel compared to Mobil euro 0w40. I wonder if this makes sense- this impression seems more than just my imagination

 

[chris719]

Motul 5w40 has been performing very well for last 1500 miles. The car seems to run stronger and smoother and has a more solid feel compared to Mobil euro 0w40. I wonder if this makes sense- this impression seems more than just my imagination

Nope, it does not make sense unfortunately .