Really hard to pay for gas after 8 years of EVs.

[Jetronic]

Well, was just driven home from the airport in a newer Expedition - it did not ride as well as the newer Tahoe - even though it had the independent rear end first …
Quiet enough - but you felt every seam in the concrete …

Did the dealer set the correc ttyre pressures?

 

[Jetronic]

Why use the all in? He’s paying to have the house hooked up to the grid for other things, like, well, the house.

So, this is a marginal use of electricity - so the proper way to calculate his cost is to use the marginal cost.

IF the only reason he had electricity at the house was for the EV, then, sure, use the all in.

But I bet he has lights, a refrigerator, perhaps AC, maybe some appliances - and the necessity to power those is why he has electricity. The hook up/monthly charge belongs to those necessities.

exactly, you have to divide the cost over all use. But I know people who put solar panels to power the house (and no more), then get an EV and count that as charging for free, while the electric bill is "for the house". I don't understand why they lie to themselves like that, maybe it impresses some people they drive for "free".

 

[JeffKeryk]

exactly, you have to divide the cost over all use. But I know people who put solar panels to power the house (and no more), then get an EV and count that as charging for free, while the electric bill is "for the house". I don't understand why they lie to themselves like that, maybe it impresses some people they drive for "free".

In my case, I researched solar, to one degree or another, for over 3 years. The solar project was part of a larger plan to minimize costs going forward, as I knew I would be retiring soon. At one point, in early 2018, the numbers were compelling so I pulled the trigger on the solar deal which included a new roof. While I thought I may buy an EV one day, this was not part of my calculations.

Unexpectedly we bought the 2018 Tesla Model 3 Mid Range in late December of that year. Is fueling free? The EV is icing on the cake; it serves to maximize the value of the solar investment; to realize ROI sooner and lower costs going forward. Pretty fair shake, right?

 

[Rand]

Why use the all in? He’s paying to have the house hooked up to the grid for other things, like, well, the house.

So, this is a marginal use of electricity - so the proper way to calculate his cost is to use the marginal cost.

Well by that measure my electricity cost $0.0839
Except for so many fees added on it ends up being somewhere between .19 and $0.21 depending on the usage amount

There's no easy way directly compare
For example, I could buy the all electricity you want for $200 plan and then say it cost me free to charge my car which is true but not a comparable cost.

So while using the marginal cost is correct, it's usually nowhere close to the whole story. All in cost is much more comparable.

Or I can compare to my free gas prices from using reward points. Okay? I refuel my car for free. Beat that EV well maybe Jeff could with his solar LOL


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[Astro14]

Well by that measure my electricity cost $0.0839
Except for so many fees added on it ends up being somewhere between .19 and $0.21 depending on the usage amount

There's no easy way directly compare
For example, I could buy the all electricity you want for $200 plan and then say it cost me free to charge my car which is true but not a comparable cost.

So while using the marginal cost is correct, it's usually nowhere close to the whole story. All in cost is much more comparable.

Or I can compare to my free gas prices from using reward points. Okay? I refuel my car for free. Beat that EV well maybe Jeff could with his solar LOL


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OK - the marginal cost includes fees that are associated with each kWh, but you would not include the “connection” fee that is fixed, for example.

So, what does each additional kWh cost? That’s the marginal cost.

Not the total bill/total use - or “all in” - that’s not an accurate measure.

 

[Jetronic]

In my case, I researched solar, to one degree or another, for over 3 years. The solar project was part of a larger plan to minimize costs going forward, as I knew I would be retiring soon. At one point, in early 2018, the numbers were compelling so I pulled the trigger on the solar deal which included a new roof. While I thought I may buy an EV one day, this was not part of my calculations.

Unexpectedly we bought the 2018 Tesla Model 3 Mid Range in late December of that year. Is fueling free? The EV is icing on the cake; it serves to maximize the value of the solar investment; to realize ROI sooner and lower costs going forward. Pretty fair shake, right?

yes it is, but in the case I'm talking about he still has a $700 electric bill each month, and spent tens of thousands on the solar system. The system can power his house, or his cars, not both (in summer, it can't power the cars in winter). So the cars are not driving for free. It might still be cheap, but from what I counted it's not terribly cheap either. it would be better if he had more solar, but that initial investment won't last forever: the panels last but the electronics don't.

 

[JeffKeryk]

yes it is, but in the case I'm talking about he still has a $700 electric bill each month, and spent tens of thousands on the solar system. The system can power his house, or his cars, not both (in summer, it can't power the cars in winter). So the cars are not driving for free. It might still be cheap, but from what I counted it's not terribly cheap either. it would be better if he had more solar, but that initial investment won't last forever: the panels last but the electronics don't.

His arithmetic needs some work... He isn't the only one. I've talked to others whose solar projects failed to live up to expectations. And that's as nice as I can put it.

What in the heck is he doing to get a $700 bill?

 

[Jetronic]

His arithmetic needs some work... He isn't the only one. I've talked to others whose solar projects failed to live up to expectations. And that's as nice as I can put it.

What in the heck is he doing to get a $700 bill?

converted everything to electric.

 

[2005jettatdi]

converted everything to electric.

I have never charged my Mach E except at home. Peak power is about 24 cents per kwh, but I only charge on weekends when there is no peak period. So about 14 cents per kwh. Since we charge at mid day most of that power is coming from the solar panels. So much cheaper than gas.

However, lately I have been riding my e-bike to the office most days. I use the pedals, so the cost per mile is somewhere close to zero.

 

[Rand]

My EMC.has a monthly flat fee of $30 that doesn't change whether you consume one kilowatt or a million.

If you consume more than a thousand it goes down to six cents per kilowatt. However that only happens once or twice a year so I didn't include it.

That seems insanely cheap.
but you are saying if you use an additional 200kwh you would pay 15$ more total?
or your bill for 800kwh would be 800x.075 + $30= ?$90

look at my junkheap of a bill.. generation just went up 60% in june.

OK - the marginal cost includes fees that are associated with each kWh, but you would not include the “connection” fee that is fixed, for example.

So, what does each additional kWh cost? That’s the marginal cost.

Not the total bill/total use - or “all in” - that’s not an accurate measure.

I acknowledge
If your bill isnt a scampile like mine that might be easy to ascertain and more accurate for figuring electric vehicle cost consumption.
his marginal cost for car charging seems excessively low priced . for a bill without super off-peak rates or similar.

I was wrong earlier my rate is apparently 8.19 cents. and all in was under 17cents.
I must be getting some sort of credit or they took off a scam charge due to a lawsuit...
I'll have to look back a few months.
with the generation going up 60% I was expecting higher.

 

[4WD]

Did the dealer set the correc ttyre pressures?

Think it had 22” wheels combined with a pretty stiff suspension …

 

[D60]

This can be said for anything. I'd hate to have to pay for auto repairs or oil changes after having my shop and tools.

I'd hate to pay someone to mow my lawn if I've been doing it for years.

I'd hate to pay for a laundromat after having a washer and dryer.

I'd hate to pay rent (no equity) after having a mortgage.

Etc etc etc. We all adapt our budgets around what we consider "normal expenditures."

I promise you @macarose might avoid gas but thinks nothing of paying for a different good or service that the next guy says, "I can't imagine paying for THAT"

 

[E365]

I pay 6.7¢/kWh on my “Super Off Peak” period; 11p-5a. And my utility gave me two free EVSEs ($500 each).

I’m never going back to ICE. Not for the cost, but it’s just such a vastly superior driving experience for me. Smooth, quiet, powerful, no shifting, no exhaust smell in my garage, almost no maintence, regen braking, etc, etc.