Raybestos rotor and caliper coatings are worthless

Semi-metallic brake pads contain iron particles that fly off as they wear and coat the wheel or get embedded in the surface. No soap and water will remove that. You need an iron remover.
I had to repaint the wheels of my 2010 Mustang because the previous owner let the brake dust bond into the paint, so iron remover may have worked for me but I didn't know about it. I have Element 3 rotors on my 2000 Mustang GT and they're holding up well. You may have got a bad batch but who knows.
 
Wheels were heavily covered in brake rust as might be expected after 500,000 miles. I chose to work smarter rather than harder, and if this stuff helps, I'll use it.

And I doubt that 1% of the wheels out there will ever see it. If it was so necessary, and or wonderful, it would be everywhere.

You could probably say the same thing about clay. The majority of non-car people haven't heard of it or know its a thing.
 
When I replace calipers, I use NAPA brand. Black painted ... I've never had any issue like your pic when using NAPA calipers. On rotors, I tend to use Centric brand (you can find on Amazon) I too live in the salt belt. These rotors have the leading egde and "hat" part of the rotor coated in a black coating (more that just paint, but I forget the name) They are coated to prevent this exact thing .... and I've used this process on multiple cars over the year with zero rust issues. Good luck!
 
I've had not so great results from coated rotors from various parts stores, but the E3 rotor and pad kits I installed on my 2019 Ram 1500 last August and 2019 Pathfinder in September look great yet. It's not just the coating that sold me on the E3's. They perform excellent and wear well.

FWIW, I've never used a wheel cleaning solution.
 
Was the rotor even coated to begin with?

https://www.brakepartsinc.com/raybestos/product-families/element3.html

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Their website picture shows some sort of Geomet type coating, and the OP's rotors look uncoated.
 
I got E3 rotors two years ago for Sienna. Less than 10k after, I have to replace them bcs. vibration. I have to say, that resembles OE quality as Toyota rotors hate aggressive driving, but was thinking they would do better.
Got Brembo. Tired of constantly having brake issues on this minivan.
 
I got E3 rotors two years ago for Sienna. Less than 10k after, I have to replace them bcs. vibration. I have to say, that resembles OE quality as Toyota rotors hate aggressive driving, but was thinking they would do better.
Got Brembo. Tired of constantly having brake issues on this minivan.

I don't think it's just the Sienna. We owned 4 different minivans over the course of ~16yrs. A 2002 Ford Windstar, 2007 Honda Odyssey, 2013 Grand Caravan and a 2016 Nissan Quest. All of them were horrific on brakes and my wife is not an aggressive driver.
 
I don't think it's just the Sienna. We owned 4 different minivans over the course of ~16yrs. A 2002 Ford Windstar, 2007 Honda Odyssey, 2013 Grand Caravan and a 2016 Nissan Quest. All of them were horrific on brakes and my wife is not an aggressive driver.
Could be. I have Land Cruiser Prado in Europe, the same issues.
I had EBC rotors before, and they were good. But these are whatever. They did not rust, but then nothing rusts in CO.
 
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I don't think it's just the Sienna. We owned 4 different minivans over the course of ~16yrs. A 2002 Ford Windstar, 2007 Honda Odyssey, 2013 Grand Caravan and a 2016 Nissan Quest. All of them were horrific on brakes and my wife is not an aggressive driver.
I am about to service the brakes on my niece's 2015 Odyssey EX-L. I have the Element 3 rotors and pads on order...
In CA rust is not an issue, at least not like other parts of the country. I am almost thinking I should have bought factory pads.
 
I used to use the NAPA Adaptive One hybrid brake pads along with NAPA rotors. These had less dust than other aftermarket brands I had used. Then, I came across the Raybestos Element 3 and I have found that the pads are remarkable with almost no brake dust and not a single squeal or peep out of them. As for the E3 rotors, I Purchased these at the same time because being in salt environment, I wanted the best line that Raybestos had and these were coated. Mine did not make it through one winter without rusting. When I checked them in the spring, I was shocked at how little of the coating was left. I had assumed that coatings on rotors are specialty high temp materials given how hot that rotors can get with heavy braking. In terms of stopping performance, the rotors and pads have been awesome, but I was super disappointed in that, in my experience, these have very little corrosion resistance. I guess I could always keep the E3 pads and go with a different set of rotors next time. Does anyone know of a rotor brand that has better coating service life?
 
I used to use the NAPA Adaptive One hybrid brake pads along with NAPA rotors. These had less dust than other aftermarket brands I had used. Then, I came across the Raybestos Element 3 and I have found that the pads are remarkable with almost no brake dust and not a single squeal or peep out of them. As for the E3 rotors, I Purchased these at the same time because being in salt environment, I wanted the best line that Raybestos had and these were coated. Mine did not make it through one winter without rusting. When I checked them in the spring, I was shocked at how little of the coating was left. I had assumed that coatings on rotors are specialty high temp materials given how hot that rotors can get with heavy braking. In terms of stopping performance, the rotors and pads have been awesome, but I was super disappointed in that, in my experience, these have very little corrosion resistance. I guess I could always keep the E3 pads and go with a different set of rotors next time. Does anyone know of a rotor brand that has better coating service life?

Did you clean the rotors before installing them? You're not supposed to clean those coated rotors off with brake cleaner! Just install them dry.

Also, heat isn't the problem that would cause the coating to wear. Rust and salt do that, and some chemical cleaners that attack the coating.

Powerstop coated rotors are awesome. The coating lasts at least 2 years. The Raybestos rotors should last that long, too. Someone in Canada made a video with the ACDelco rotors after 2 years, and they still looked good. ACD aftermarket rotors are usually Raybestos, and I think Napa's rotors are, too.

Also, when you replace the rotors, the E3 you have on now will come off easy with no problem, so the coating still works. Non-coated rotors rust overnight or even within a few hours, and you need a hammer to get them off!



The E-coated rotors from Centric and Wagner should last a year, but the gold standard so far is Geomet 360, which should last 2-3 years.
 
Great that you asked that question. To answer, no, there was no cleaning done to the new rotors prior to installation. Based on your description of the Powerstop rotors and how long this Geomet Coding can potentially last, am I inferring correctly that the Powerstop brand uses that brand of coating? Sorry if I sound a bit slow, it’s been a long day 🥱
 
Great that you asked that question. To answer, no, there was no cleaning done to the new rotors prior to installation. Based on your description of the Powerstop rotors and how long this Geomet Coding can potentially last, am I inferring correctly that the Powerstop brand uses that brand of coating? Sorry if I sound a bit slow, it’s been a long day 🥱

correct. Powerstop uses Geomet 360 :)
 
I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I don't agree that without it you're going to have dirty wheels. And I doubt that 1% of the wheels out there will ever see it. If it was so necessary, and or wonderful, it would be everywhere.
Wheel acid has the same effect, mostly.
 
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