Ravenol VSE 0w20
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Catch it on sale @ Blauparts. They usually run Ravenol on sale every 3 months or so.
Best specs you've ever seen = >$$$
Best specs you've ever seen = >$$$
That might be the best to get. Any VW 508 Porsche C20 oils is going to be good though, hard to reach specifications. 508 oil is often high PAO base, like this one which is why it has a -76F (-60C) pour point.
https://www.ravenol.de/en/product-range/motor-oils-for-passenger-cars-1/ravenol-vse-sae-0w-20/
On paper Ravenol makes premium products. I assume they follow it up with quality control.
https://www.ravenol.de/en/product-range/motor-oils-for-passenger-cars-1/ravenol-vse-sae-0w-20/
On paper Ravenol makes premium products. I assume they follow it up with quality control.
It is expensive, Baluparts missed getting it in stock in time for my first change on the VW ...
Got some coming and will do a VOA when I change but it will be a while.
I also hope they keep it in stock and I don't like it but find it is unobtainium when I need it...
Got some coming and will do a VOA when I change but it will be a while.
I also hope they keep it in stock and I don't like it but find it is unobtainium when I need it...
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
Good to have in case you make a wrong turn and end up in Antarctica....
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
Good to have in case you make a wrong turn and end up in Antarctica....
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
Uhh, no. It's the 0w20 version. The 5w20 version is -60.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
Uhh, no. It's the 0w20 version. The 5w20 version is -60.
Originally Posted by PimTac
Pour point means nothing inside a engine. Look at the more modern specs.
Nobody has said it makes a real difference. What it does do is potentially indicate base oil quality.
Pour point means nothing inside a engine. Look at the more modern specs.
Nobody has said it makes a real difference. What it does do is potentially indicate base oil quality.
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
Uhh, no. It's the 0w20 version. The 5w20 version is -60.
There's a Quaker State Ultimate Durability High Mileage in 0W-20?
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
Uhh, no. It's the 0w20 version. The 5w20 version is -60.
There's a Quaker State Ultimate Durability High Mileage in 0W-20?
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by PimTac
Pour point means nothing inside a engine. Look at the more modern specs.
Nobody has said it makes a real difference. What it does do is potentially indicate base oil quality.
Then they must be using some great base oil (it's only fractional PAO) in Castrol Edge OE Professional LL IV 0w-20 (VW 508/509) with a pour point of -86F. Polar bears use this in their Toy "Tundras"....
It has a crank viscosity, CCS -35C (0W) DIN 51377 mPas, (cP) of 3900 which is great, but there are actually a very few other oils with higher pour points and lower CCS @-35C.
Practically, CCS & MRV win.
Get the wax out, oil pours under its own weight when super cold, is the bottom line. Cold facts. (Don't forget to tip the waitresses.)
Originally Posted by PimTac
Pour point means nothing inside a engine. Look at the more modern specs.
Nobody has said it makes a real difference. What it does do is potentially indicate base oil quality.
Then they must be using some great base oil (it's only fractional PAO) in Castrol Edge OE Professional LL IV 0w-20 (VW 508/509) with a pour point of -86F. Polar bears use this in their Toy "Tundras"....
It has a crank viscosity, CCS -35C (0W) DIN 51377 mPas, (cP) of 3900 which is great, but there are actually a very few other oils with higher pour points and lower CCS @-35C.
Practically, CCS & MRV win.
Get the wax out, oil pours under its own weight when super cold, is the bottom line. Cold facts. (Don't forget to tip the waitresses.)
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
Uhh, no. It's the 0w20 version. The 5w20 version is -60.
There's a Quaker State Ultimate Durability High Mileage in 0W-20?
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https://www.quakerstate.com/en_ca/p...r-state-high-mileage-full-synthetic.html
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
One of the QSUD HM's has a pour point of - 66. Crazy
And yet none have a 0W winter rating, correct? A good illustration how the pour point doesn't necessarily relate to real-world starting and pumping performance and why it was abandoned for this purpose.
Uhh, no. It's the 0w20 version. The 5w20 version is -60.
There's a Quaker State Ultimate Durability High Mileage in 0W-20?
https://www.quakerstate.com/en_ca/p...r-state-high-mileage-full-synthetic.html
Thank you I was looking all over for that.
Originally Posted by kschachn
Thank you I was looking all over for that.
I think it's Canada only.
Thank you I was looking all over for that.
I think it's Canada only.
Originally Posted by PimTac
Pour point means nothing inside a engine. Look at the more modern specs.
While I cannot agree more, what about the time it takes for the cold oil to make it's way from the cylinder head back to the oil pan?
Pour point means nothing inside a engine. Look at the more modern specs.
While I cannot agree more, what about the time it takes for the cold oil to make it's way from the cylinder head back to the oil pan?
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I did get it at Blauparts. It'll be interesting to see how the UOA compares to the FF and the Castrol. I agree they both have nice bottles, with the nod going to the Ravenol for packaging.
Originally Posted by DuckRyder
I did get it at Blauparts. It'll be interesting to see how the UOA compares to the FF and the Castrol. I agree they both have nice bottles, with the nod going to the Ravenol for packaging.
My educated guess is absolutely no meaningful or significant difference on the UOAs. When was the last time ANY UOA of two appropriately spec'd oils, over the same OCI and assuming break-in was over for both, showed any significant difference?
I did get it at Blauparts. It'll be interesting to see how the UOA compares to the FF and the Castrol. I agree they both have nice bottles, with the nod going to the Ravenol for packaging.
My educated guess is absolutely no meaningful or significant difference on the UOAs. When was the last time ANY UOA of two appropriately spec'd oils, over the same OCI and assuming break-in was over for both, showed any significant difference?
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