Rant: I hate GM sometimes (at least 90's-2000's)

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So a friend of mine needed a water pump replaced on this 2002 Pontiac Grand Am. Being the ever-willing car guy of the neighborhood (and the foolish guy of the neighborhood) I offered to replace the pump for him. I looked up the instructions online and, to my amazement, it didn't look too bad. He also wanted his upper and lower radiator hoses replaced, coolant flushed, and drive belt replaced. Certainly stuff I've done before, but not on this car.

I went to the parts store, got the pump hoses, belt, new clamps, Zerex Dex-Cool, and some other misc stuff for the job. Taking off the pump turned out to be the easiest water pump I've ever done. It was a snap! The drive belt however... um... yeah... not so much. To the wonderful, helpful, brilliant engineer at GM who decided this was a good idea... why on Earth did you believe that in order to take the drive belt off, you should, oh... I donno... TAKE OFF THE MOTOR MOUNT. Oh, and because of the "V" shape of the body around the engine bay, if you use a wrench on the belt tensioner and it retracts to the untensioned position, you can't remove the wrench. There isn't enough room between the engine and the body to pull the wrench off the tensioner. Because you can't remove the wrench you can't slip the belt around it to complete the belt install. So you have to move it to the tensioned position, which is kinda hard when you just used a regular ratchet and you have about an inch and a half to work with. Sigh.

Now the hoses, to replace the upper radiator hose I had to remove the "ram air" intake system, the battery and battery tray. Oh, and the clip to remove the lower hose? Yeah, you can't access it. It's wedged between the body and the hose. there isn't enough room to get a pair of pliers in there. It's literally in the most inconvenient orientation imaginable. Had to cut it off.

Then refilling the system with coolant... sigh. What a pain! No heat for like half an hour. From reading online that's not unusual. After about 30-45 minutes of running and revving the engine a few times, magically heat is restored, the system burps and all it well again.

This took forever. Thank you, end of rant. Good day. My back hurts.
 
So this was the 3.4? The quad 4s are worse with the pump in the timing belt area, so I've been told.

If a spring clamp is in the wrong spot you can "tease" it around with a hefty screwdriver pushing on one of the tabs until it loosens up enough to spin.

Did you burp the air through the little pips? At least those loosen okay (don't overtorque!) compared to dodge 2.5s where they rust together.

For stubborn tensioners I like doing a "wrench on a string" with a double box end. For leverage I then sometimes have to use a stick (jack handle) on the other end of said string. Would it have been easier through the fender/splash shield?
 
You do realize if your friend gets a flat tire in the next 3 years he will ask if it was something that you did or worked on.
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Two GA's in our family; a 2002 3.4 and a 2003 2.2. Both are easy to flush and change coolant. I used to use the bleeder screw exclusively, now I accomplish the same by using the return line to the coolant tank.
You are a good friend. The cuts and scapes will heal in a week or two.
 
Cheers to you Tin! I am sure that your friend will appreciate it. I fully understand your frustration; it seems that things are infinitely easier to install when the engine is out of the car or most of the body parts are not yet installed on the assembly line.

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I agree, GM doesn't (or didn't) engineer cars for maintenance like Honda does.

I found out (after buying spark plugs) that my Nissan Munrano had to have the intake manifold removed to replace the spark plugs ! Glad I had a $150 off coupon, I let the dealer do this.
 
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i would like to also nominate the chevy cavalier/sunfire for similar reasons. i would rather set one on fire versus do any engine work on it.
 
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
i would like to also nominate the chevy cavalier/sunfire for similar reasons. i would rather set one on fire versus do any engine work on it.


I did the snorkel shaped two foot long metal pipe thing that holds coolant between the top of the engine and the rubber hose that goes to the top of the radiator. Not sure why they engineered it this way, though everything on the car points to the 2.2 OHV engine being meant to be longitudinal.

Pretty sure I had to take the alternator off to do this snorkel. Of course it rotted out b/c idiot coworker didn't believe in changing antifreeze.
 
They dont make many engines as easy to service as the 2.2 Chrysler.That was basically the only engine designed from the start for simple,easy repairs.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
And people wonder why the dealer wants $500 to do this...

Not $500.....$776 Yes, more than SEVEN HUNDRED! I almost soiled myself when I heard that.

I was thinking that I was just spoiled. My Lexus vehicles are pretty easy to work on compared to this. The only real pain is the spark plugs. Nice to know other people have similar frustrations with engineers.
 
Originally Posted By: PhillyJoe

You are a good friend. The cuts and scapes will heal in a week or two.

Ain't that the truth.
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That's true with pretty much all Gm vehicles. But, I have the same issue with my Dodge. I just replaced the radiator (because of blow out), fan assembly (because of a stiff motor), upper and lower hose's and coolant. I had a similar situation but had a couple of overheating moments before it would burp. I do have a coolant transfer machine (Snap-On) but this still caused the same situation. Can I complain, not really, just glad I got the situation rectified.

PS. Good for you for being a good neighbour. My neighbours bug me about even oil changes and EXPECT them to be free - sorry but I am not a charity.
 
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
I agree, GM doesn't (or didn't) engineer cars for maintenance like Honda does.


GM doesn't engineer for maintenance like Honda, but when the bill comes when you need major maintenance on a Honda most owners sell.
 
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yep I said the same thing when working on our 95 grand am. sucks but here is the part worthwhile -- you completed the job correctly and a did a nice favor for your neighbor.

all is well.
 
Originally Posted By: TheBig2003
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
I agree, GM doesn't (or didn't) engineer cars for maintenance like Honda does.


GM doesn't engineer for maintenance like Honda, but when the bill comes when you need major maintenance on a Honda most owners sell.


Except a Saturn S-series is one of the easiest cars to work on you could ever own.
They have a few quirks, but overall, they are a rewarding DIY friendly car.

I guess it's not really a typical GM either though..... haha
 
That's the way it is with the old Audi 4000.

Alternator belt? Easy.
A/C belt? Remove the front motor mount.

Guess which one is prone to flipping over and self-destructing?
 
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
I agree, GM doesn't (or didn't) engineer cars for maintenance like Honda does.

I found out (after buying spark plugs) that my Nissan Munrano had to have the intake manifold removed to replace the spark plugs ! Glad I had a $150 off coupon, I let the dealer do this.


Im not impressed with Honda's maintenance design. Ive done oil changes on a Honda odyssey, accord, and crv and in all of them the oil that drains from loosening the filter drains all over the chassis\suspension parts with no way to avoid it! Ridiculous imo.

You are not alone on costly spark plug jobs... My Fusion Sport will require an expensive spark plug job because it also requires platinum plugs + removal of the intake manifold. UGH!
 
Originally Posted By: fusion0389
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
I agree, GM doesn't (or didn't) engineer cars for maintenance like Honda does.

I found out (after buying spark plugs) that my Nissan Munrano had to have the intake manifold removed to replace the spark plugs ! Glad I had a $150 off coupon, I let the dealer do this.


Im not impressed with Honda's maintenance design. Ive done oil changes on a Honda odyssey, accord, and crv and in all of them the oil that drains from loosening the filter drains all over the chassis\suspension parts with no way to avoid it! Ridiculous imo.

You are not alone on costly spark plug jobs... My Fusion Sport will require an expensive spark plug job because it also requires platinum plugs + removal of the intake manifold. UGH!

Nor am I, I had a Honda. I can't remember that last time I had to do a timing belt on any of GM cars. Which on the Accord was a PITA compared to anything I have done on all the GM stuff I own now.
 
Originally Posted By: hypervish
If spark plugs are a pain to change, buy a Ford. It'll spit them out by itself.


Hilarious.
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