Rant - Clueless Drivers

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a lot of them don't have licenses or insurance




One of the things I have a major, major issue with is the slap-on-the-wrist fine they give someone for driving without a license, even if they cause an accident. Whereas, if you drive on a suspended, you WILL get jailtime.

Oh, and by the way:
§ 46.2-300. Driving without license prohibited; penalties.

No person, except those expressly exempted in §§ 46.2-303 through 46.2-308, shall drive any motor vehicle on any highway in the Commonwealth until such person has applied for a driver's license, as provided in this article, satisfactorily passed the examination required by § 46.2-325, and obtained a driver's license, nor unless the license is valid.

A conviction of a violation of this section shall constitute a Class 2 misdemeanor.

A class 2 misdemeanor is NOT a "slap on the wrist" offense, the punishment is:

For Class 2 misdemeanors, confinement in jail for up to six months and a fine of up to $1,000, either or both.

But it's up to the judges, who based on what I've seen, think it's only worth a $70 fine.
 
I agree! Traffic is so bad that for people like me who work hourly, that extra bit of sitting costs me money.

MarkC, that whole comment wasn't directed at you, just the first line. Just making it clear. I wasn't trying to be dirty.
 
Another slight irritation.... people on the highway who were too lazy to sit in the clogged lane to make a turn, and who then have no qualms about shutting down another lane of traffic on an interstate while they sit idling, blocking the lane, trying to force their way into the clogged lane at the last possible point of exit. I've seen people do this for several minutes, which will back up a lot of traffic on a highway that is already at capacity.

My motorcycles always had 55w/100w headlights as some cars wouldn't bother to dim theirs with the stock lights; nary a problem after the upgrade.
 
I watch that exact same thing happen on the frontage road with a line of people trying to enter....there are a few people every morning who are just TOO good to wait in line, so they drive in the middle lane right to the point of entrance and force their way in....and PEOPLE LET THEM IN, but only after they've stopped traffic in the middle lane for 1/2 a mile. The first time they get blocked from this action, they might at least reconsider repeating an attempt tomorrow and go to the back of the line with the rest of the lowly, courteous commuters. Letting them get away with it is an invitation to do it again tomorrow morning.
 
Whoa whoa... i finished reading the rest of the 3rd page... please calm down. The reason I posted this thread was to vent frustrations. By doing it on the board, its healthier than yelling, screaming, beating on something or worse, on someone. Yes, FIDO works but imagine this:
You've just finished 8 hours of hard work. It was a bad day. Your boss called you in to tell you that you're on the thin ice with hot blades. You're already angry at life and then some driver almost hits you because they were apply lipstick (fyi, this is not a sexist thing because um... being a college town, I've seen guys do it) or eating a burger. How would you feel? If you hold emotion in, and i feel that unless you're very strong, FIDO is bad because you hold it in! If you hold it in, imagine what will happen when someone makes you angry later in the day?

A Forum is a place to voice conerns, interests and emotions... don't try and change that by saying its pointless. If this were a city hall meeting, which is a forum, this is truely acceptable. This is an electronic motoring forum, expression of ones self is expected.

Point is, there needs to be something done about the growing number of drivers on the road. We all express it differently.
 
I'm more concerned about the growing number of INCOMPETENT drivers on the road.

Who knows, maybe a lot of them don't even have driver's licenses.
 
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Whoa whoa... i finished reading the rest of the 3rd page... please calm down.




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A Forum is a place to voice conerns, interests and emotions...




Exactly! You've opened the door for me to stand on a soapbox and proclaim my pointless point of view about one of the most accurate barometers of the deliquency of the society.

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This is an electronic motoring forum, expression of ones self is expected.




I hope that I've met your expectations
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Three reasons why we have so many drivers on the road:

1) People breeding irresponsibly. Sure, have your three kids. In 15-20 years those three will all want cars. Now multiply times the number of people already (in 2006) clogging the interstates!

2) Allowing anyone with a pulse to have a license and to keep it no matter what. In the last 20 years or so we've accepted the stupid notion that having a driver's license is a right instead of something to be earned, and we never yank it for serious infractions. I suggest yanking the thing after a felony conviction, after three major moving violations, after diagnosis with a mental or physical disorder which would make the driver unsafe. If you breach the social contract, or are otherwise unqualified, ride the bus. Said yanked license to be reinstated only after a sensible period of not less than three years, and only after stringent retesting.
 
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When I was talking to the officer in the story I mentioned above, she said people should be allowed to shoot it out with roadragers. She said this road rage ________ would end in a week! I was laughing my butt off!!




Maybe! Out of control drivers often get a green light from the rest of us to push their way around in traffic, so when they run across someone who doesn’t bow to their demands, what’s their solution? The only weapon they have to wield: more rage. Good way to solve your problems. If they knew the person they were about to attack would attack them back with equal force, I bet they would think twice and maybe figure out a different method of coping. When all you do is waffle, you’re sending them the message that what they did was ok. It’s not. Stand up for yourself.

One of the other more popular versions of this is when the nice guy has finally had it up to here with getting the short end of the stick, and finally loses it himself. The abused becomes the abuser, so to speak. Not any more helpful to blow things out of proportion here though either. Would it really be worth it to face criminal charges or rack up a huge bill for damages because it took you 20 seconds longer to get where you’re going? It may or may not, but it’s not a very smart move in most cases I think (thinking of the scene from Fried Green Tomatoes, lol). People don’t usually make the best decisions when they’re angry. However, I don’t think it’s inappropriate to let people know when they’re doing something wrong. It’s HOW you let them know that takes a little tact.

Teen driver does something dumb? They’re learning how to drive, cut them a little slack. However, you’re not doing either of you a favor if you just let them putt along in blissful ignorance. A quick honk and maybe an indication that they did something they ought not to have would be appropriate I think. You have to give them SOME feedback, or else how are they going to learn? How are they going to know they did anything wrong at all?

An elderly lady? Same thing, except you’re not teaching them the rules of the road, you’re giving them feedback regarding their limitations. If they look a little lost, maybe just a gentle honk or maybe a concerned look. They probably know they did something wrong, and if some douchebag lays on his horn and yells at her, she’s probably going to go home and cry. If, however, I see one of them peering over the steering wheel driving like they’re drunk, I will lay it on thick. Every now and again, you hear stories about old people driving their cars into crowds of people or a storefront because they got “confused”. They need to have plenty of people telling them they’re “confused” long before that happens. Some people are smart enough to figure out when it’s time to quit, some people are just stubborn, and some are possibly just so unaware that they need a little help.

Sometimes people just make honest mistakes. So do you, so get over it.

Stupid punk who wants to cut out in front of everyone? Lots of feedback for this guy. If he’s wanting me to move for him, I’ll just stare him down. Might tell him to go ________ himself too. (Unless he looks like he just escaped from the state prison, then I might think twice. Maybe not though, depends on what kind of mood I’m in.) Idiots like this need to get the message loud and clear that they aren’t the only ones on the road. 99.9999999% of the time, bashing someone’s windshield in does not make it any more clear that they just offended you and the other drivers and aren’t going to get away with it than if you give them a dirty look, laid on your horn, and stood your ground. Actually, it kind of works in reverse. For one, the focus in their mind completely shifts away from their poor driving when someone is trying to attack them. I can guarantee you the last thing on their mind is how much they need to improve their driving skills when someone is rushing at them in a violent rage. Pulling a stunt like this generally just advertises to the world the lack of control you possess over yourself, and the lack of skill you display in making judgments. And another thing: if you give someone the maximum level of punishment or reinforcement no matter what they do, controlling their behavior cannot be focused around a specific act. The punishment and reinforcement has to occur on a gradient.

For example... subconscious mind of idiot driver:

1) “Hmmm, when I wait an extra 3 seconds at a green light by mistake, a crazy lady lays on her horn and yells obscenities at me”.

2) “When I cut across 3 lanes of traffic because I need to turn sooner than I thought, a crazy lady lays on her horn and yells obscenities at me”.

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5) “Waiting an extra 3 seconds at a green light by mistake is as bad as cutting across 3 lanes of traffic!”

Maybe a little too simplistic, but hopefully you get (or already got) the point. From here, it’s likely that the person is going to want/need to see themselves as mostly correct or superior, so if they don’t just blow everyone off altogether, the choice between whether or not they de-emphasize the seriousness of the 3 lane switcharoo or upgrade the seriousness of the slow start on green is not a hard one to make. They want the one that results in the least amount of blame directed at themselves. Think this is all way too basic? Think any person controlling 3,000+ lbs of steel should be able to judge a behavior based on its own merit? Think again, especially if these people are dumb as a box of rocks and/or distracted half the time they’re driving anyway. Too many of these people on the road.


Getting dark, time for booze and candy.
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“Anybody going slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac.” – George Carlin
 
"I can guarantee you the last thing on their mind is how much they need to improve their driving skills when someone is rushing at them in a violent rage. Pulling a stunt like this generally just advertises to the world the lack of control you possess over yourself, and the lack of skill you display in making judgments."

I rarely even lay on the horn, but when I get ________ it's usually because of incredible stupidity in my 'kill zone', which is the bit of extra distance in front of my truck. As mentioned many times so far in various threads there are very few car friendly crush zones on my vehicle; solid axles that are used as jacking points, an almost 1000 lb engine, and bumper mounts where either tow hooks or hitches are attached. I just have a 9000 lb GVWR pickup, which is tiny compared to the medium and heavy duty trucks out there.
 
Just remember that some drivers are more important than you and I. We must make certain that we give them the honors due them. We must duck them (I said DUCK), and hit the disappear button when they are in a hurry. They don't stop at stop signs, you do, and on and on. Please learn your place and move over.
 
Gary... I dunno why I even posted that... I was half way asleep in class and probably wasn't thinking... I have some boring classes this semester.
 
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Gary... I dunno why I even posted that... I was half way asleep in class and probably wasn't thinking... I have some boring classes this semester.




Okay ..I just figured that since you took the time to post ..I'd take the time to respond
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Rest up, it's easier to not get hypnotized by the droning voices.

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My favorite are the ones who are in such a hurry to make a right turn that they pull out right in front of me instead of waiting for me to go by since there's nobody behind me...

..then they forget what the hurry is and proceed to take a mile to get up to the speed limit, assuming they ever get there.




Yep. Some older lady in an SUV (obvious?) did that to me the other day - no one behind me for a quarter mile, but she pulls out right and front and forgot to hit the gas.
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I was on the horn for a while; not sure if it scared her or what (or wanted to write down my plates), but she pulled off into a church and waited for me to go by, then re-entered the road a little bit later. Die in a fire, lady.
 
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What burns me most about Dallas drivers is finding out after it's too late, that they've made a directional error and try to change lanes while sitting at a stop light...so the people behind them in the left turn lane have to sit through a green arrow, and the people in the next lane over who are going forward are all stuck behind the idiot while they try to cross 2 more lanes of traffic to make a right turn. It's beyond my comprehension why they REFUSE to just go ahead with the "wrong" turn and figure out how to get where they're going afterwards. People act as if they're going to drive off a cliff if they don't make the correct decision RIGHT NOW. Whenever I figure out I've made a wrong choice, I live with it and just circle the block until I get back where I need to be. Is this a difficult concept?

I've been wanting to install a bull bar on the front of my truck, but I've held off because I'm afraid I might actually use it on someone's fender someday.


My other burn is people behind you who are convinced you aren't going fast enough, move over to the right lane (which is ending in 200 feet), blast by you and then force you to slow down so they can squeeze in between you and the car ahead of you. Some day one of those women are gonna catch me in the wrong mood and have some badly damaged wheels on the right side of her car when she has to eat the curb. People in Dallas are the stupidest, rudest drivers I've ever seen.




Yeah, buddy. But they're worse in D.C. NOTHING is worse than D.C. My experience and national polls confirm it.

I've been doing that for years, keeping them from cutting me off. Don't need a bull bar, either. Forced an empty gravel hauler when he came up in a right-lane-exit-only and tried to force me over about seven years ago. Ain't happenin'. Sent him on a seven-mile u-turn as I estimated it. Turned on my brights, emergency flashers and laid on that five-note horn so's everyone would look, and kept the dynamics in my favor.

Still push 'em along. Especially the ones who run the "fast" left lane and all of a sudden change four lanes over to exit. Nope.

I use my signals and expect them to use theirs. I can't read their minds as an out-of-control vehicle is one I'm going to stay ahead of, not behind.


If/when I win the lottery I'm gonna get me an oilfield winch truck, re-power it with at least 800-1,200 HP/2250-2500 TQ CUMMINS from the guys at Pittsburgh Power to move easily through traffic, have a pro set up a stabilized video camera and just drive around town -- bigger streets with heavier traffic -- and I'm gonna collect red-light runners on the front of that 60,000# truck like love bugs through Louisiana by driving below the speed limit and making all the lights, properly.

Note the bull bar and wide tires to climb obstructions. Give an old Pete a new lease.

http://www.truckpaper.com/listings/detai...EE605EADEB63A4A

I'll have a manifest and some equipment and supplies to pick up out of a warehouse district.

They'll have died doing their patriotic duty as industry gets more oil/gas out.
 
CBDFrontier, the High Five is replete with "opportunities". Just run the posted number, and keep the lane that doesn't merge. I look forward to it every time I have to exit from 75 or 635.
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My favorite is westbound 635 to northbound 75....what an IDIOTIC ramp. Does nothing but cause a bottleneck, and people try it every time. I do what any decent driver would do and fall in line in the right lane, a mile or more before the left lane ends, but there are plenty of people who seem to think they're above that. I enjoy making the 'better' folks eat concrete wall when they try it on me. I can tell even the most gentile drivers are getting sick of it...more and more people are standing their ground on that ramp and I love it.
 
Our traffic is so bad here in Colorado now, it literally is a war on the roads. It's almost not even worth it to spend two hours a day to travel 20 miles round trip and put up with so much social unrest. If we had some decent public transportation, I'd use it, but that ain't happenin anytime soon.

It's a good thing I don't carry a firearm with me on my way to work and back because I'd have used it LONG ago.

And you should try, if you haven't, driving a little ________ economy car around. People, mostly women, in big trucks think they have the right to just run all over you like you are nothing. Most of them are in debt up to their eyeballs in SUV payments though (I work with a bunch of em) - just so they can feel *superior* on their way to work and back. My car ain't no sports car but it sure as ________ can handle and is more nimble then SUVs; as soon as I hit a stretch where driver skill and decent cornering prowess comes into play, like a twisty mountain road, I just leave them.
 
It's a Texas tradition to put your wife / girlfriend in a vehicle that's FAR too large for them to handle, all in the name of THEIR safety. Nevermind the safety of all the poor slobs that share the road with those spoiled Highland Park (or Cherry Creek, whichever you can relate to) housewives-with-careers.

I guess Colorado has taken a serious turn since I last drove there. I consider myself quite agressive (not to be mistaken for offensive) and am hardly afraid of speed, and even in a turbo Talon people in and around Denver were leaving me behind. I actually kinda liked it. I think it was US225 that I got into a race with a Porsche 944 and showed him how pretty my taillights were. But that was back in 1992, so I'm sure thing's haven't changed for the better on your highways. I THOUGHT our new interchange between 75 and 635 was going to make things better, but I see little change for the positive, as they designed most of the new ramps with bottle-necks. STUPIDITY supported by our tax dollars.
 
I'll put it to you this way CBD, Douglass county between CO Spgs. and Denver is the fastest growing county in the United States. The difference between 1992 and today as far as traffic is concerned would be like driving through a ghost town compared to, well, ANYWHERE along the front range of CO.

In 50 years, the front range from Ft. Collins to Pueblo will be one huge megalopolis.

Hey, I had a 92 Talon too! Kick ________ cars if you know how to work on them and you know their quirks.
 
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